Thread: Good dog for a first timer?

Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

@Pointer had a b/w pointer that would hit those distances, 5 yrs ago my old boy was hunting 200-300 mtrs either side of me.

Not challenging your point coz I haven't even seen the dog run.
But one has to wonder when a dog is under control at those distances or simply doing its own thing. I'm yet to see a hander who can handle a dog at those distances properly. Yes I have seen some but the very rear one. Moreover majority of the hunting done in NZ doesn't need a dog like that...

Point being for DXROLLA - don't bite more than you can chew...

Originally Posted by Petros_mk

Not challenging your point coz I haven't even seen the dog run.

There's a few forum members who saw Spot go and can verify that UU isn't pulling numbers out of his arse about that dog. Spots' particular bloodline is known for being "too much" Spectacular to watch? Sure. Nearly useless in NZ? Absolutely.

But one has to wonder when a dog is under control at those distances or simply doing its own thing. I'm yet to see a hander who can handle a dog at those distances properly. Yes I have seen some but the very rear one.

I think 7mmwsm was meaning that the Vizsla in question was out of control. Thing about P&S work is that at those distances, there has to be a certain amount of autonomy in the dog to do it to start with. As for handling at that distance, just be cause you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, judge

Moreover majority of the hunting done in NZ doesn't need a dog like that...

Certainly not. Or anywhere, really.

Originally Posted by Pointer

As for handling at that distance, just be cause you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, judge
.

have seen it - not very often.... judge

Originally Posted by Petros_mk

Not challenging your point coz I haven't even seen the dog run.
But one has to wonder when a dog is under control at those distances or simply doing its own thing. I'm yet to see a hander who can handle a dog at those distances properly. Yes I have seen some but the very rear one. Moreover majority of the hunting done in NZ doesn't need a dog like that...

Point being for DXROLLA - don't bite more than you can chew...

At what distance do you consider a dog to be "out of control "??. I personally dont have a problem with my dogs running 200 mtrs either side of me.

Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

At what distance do you consider a dog to be "out of control "??.

I don't, distance hasn't got anything to do with it... if you can control a dog at 1km, great - hats...
But the ones who can control a dog at 200-300m are rare...

Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

I personally dont have a problem with my dogs running 200 mtrs either side of me.

If they didn't I'd expect you to have an issue with that anyways...

Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

I personally dont have a problem with my dogs running 200 mtrs either side of me.

Lets put that in context " I personally dont have a problem with my dogs running 200 mtrs either side of me in open country where I can see him and control him"

A big running dog in tight country is a square peg in a round hole

Originally Posted by Pointer

Lets put that in context " I personally dont have a problem with my dogs running 200 mtrs either side of me in open country where I can see him and control him"

A big running dog in tight country is a square peg in a round hole

Good point, forgot to say in open cover