Thread: Hunting dogs vs pedigree dogs

Originally Posted by Boxton

As a breeder of "pedigree " dogs I could and should take umbridge at some of the ignorance in some of your comments.
But I'll leave you with this
Hybrid vigor works...until it doesnt
For every good one you get a bad one
A dog is like anything else you buy...researched cared for investigated and respected...and any good breeder of pedigree...or non pedigree dogs will have done their homework on all the physical mental and social impacts of breeding one line to another years before producing a litter.
Including the pigdogger whose lines bail hold point indicate superbly but drop dead at 5...or the pedigree guy like me who has 40 kg of fuck off on a lead to look pretty...but will bait bring a man to bear and not have kidney or hip disease...because I have spent 30 years researching and living the bred

Greyhounds are full of disease...100s a year are in offal pits all over the country if they are not fast hard or smart enough
1st generation pootrevers are hypoallergenic
2nd generation pootrevers die of kidney disease

Some people like fords
Others holdens
And my pretty certificates took a lot of work effort and learning...but my dogs will still do their jobs.

Just like the pedigree hunting/working/showing lines of my acquaintances

Dont put us all in the same basket as your ignorance or judge us all by your limited exposure

I am neither ignorant or wrong. My post was put in a simple straight forward way that anyone interested in dogs can understand. A lot of guys were to busy at high-school looking at the legs of the girl seated next to them to remember Gregor Mendel let alone anything more complicated.
How do you calculate the inbreeding co-efficient in your dogs @Boxton which are perhaps overweight Boxers?. Dog breeds have such high inbreeding co-efficient because of the extreme inbreeding required to move them genetically from the original parent stock and then to 'fix' those breed traits - for example breeding down the original wild dog breeds that were domesticated and changing them into fancy show dogs. It is almost unbelievable that this could be done.
Hybrid vigor Always works, when unrelated breeds are crossed. Crossing two breeds gives an average 16% improvement - for example Landrace x Largewhite pigs. Mating LL sows with an unrelated breed like a Duroch will lift growth to 18%+ above the genetic mean. Mating those F1 LL sows with an F1 Boar like a Hampshire x Duroch, thus combining four unrelated breeds will produce piglets that perform 20%+ above their genetic mean. So what does this mean in relation to dogs ? What it means is that by using carefully selected pure breed lines of dogs to cross, really outstanding utility hunting dogs can be produced. If bred from the cross bred dogs should not be backcrossed to one of the breeds used in the original cross as the hybrid vigor is lost and any hidden recessive faults will be brought to the surface.
True heritable improvement will only be made within closed breed lines containing sufficient individuals but this is not a sure path for the man who just wants a sound dependable hunting dog.