Thread: Kiwi Avoidance Training help!

Team, I have recently moved back to the mainland (south island) for the diversity in outdoor activities and quality of life. I have a new dog that I want to take bush with me, but, I am having no luck in finding any 'kiwi aversion training' courses

All websites refer to the same place, that the single website and point of contact has ZERO training courses for the training for the foreseeable future.

my question is, is there any planned training conducted down here at all? or is it all ad-hoc training planned and conducted on the sidelines?

There always seems to be course dates in the North Island, but none down here?

Any help would be great,

and where do you NEED a certificate to hunt with your dog????

There is one pretty regularly in Mapua near Nelson. I’ve put my dog through it a couple of times


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I think it was a guy called Ian cox doing it


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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

and where do you NEED a certificate to hunt with your dog????

I travel the country in its entirely and there are multiple areas where dogs need be aversion trained under DoC and private entities. I respect best practice and piece of mind over animals in my charge

Get hold of the local doc office and they may have the name of a private trainer.

Can't help with your query but I will add my 2c on aversion training.
I use a Garmin collar on Bo for the tracking features and should I ever lose him and he's always been perfectly fine with it. However, after the aversion training (they literally just put a training collar on them, let them go over and sniff the decoy and then belt the crap out of them with the remote) Bo took a long time to come right after the experience and wouldn't hunt full stop with his Garmin collar on, would just stick right beside me and was generally very nervous with the collar on, I kind of think it wrecked him for a while there and it was really frustrating and a bit sad for me to see my wee mates demeanor changed full stop after such an experience.
They tell you that they will get a "small shock" but they belt the crap out of them and did it to all the dogs that were present for the day, hearing all the other dogs yelping and carrying on is probably an experience in itself for a young dog. If I had the time back I just wouldn't have done it and just take my dog somewhere else to hunt

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Can't help with your query but I will add my 2c on aversion training.
I use a Garmin collar on Bo for the tracking features and should I ever lose him and he's always been perfectly fine with it. However, after the aversion training (they literally just put a training collar on them, let them go over and sniff the decoy and then belt the crap out of them with the remote) Bo took a long time to come right after the experience and wouldn't hunt full stop with his Garmin collar on, would just stick right beside me and was generally very nervous with the collar on, I kind of think it wrecked him for a while there and it was really frustrating and a bit sad for me to see my wee mates demeanor changed full stop after such an experience.
They tell you that they will get a "small shock" but they belt the crap out of them and did it to all the dogs that were present for the day, hearing all the other dogs yelping and carrying on is probably an experience in itself for a young dog. If I had the time back I just wouldn't have done it and just take my dog somewhere else to hunt

sh*t, is the training that primitive! not ideal

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Can't help with your query but I will add my 2c on aversion training.
I use a Garmin collar on Bo for the tracking features and should I ever lose him and he's always been perfectly fine with it. However, after the aversion training (they literally just put a training collar on them, let them go over and sniff the decoy and then belt the crap out of them with the remote) Bo took a long time to come right after the experience and wouldn't hunt full stop with his Garmin collar on, would just stick right beside me and was generally very nervous with the collar on, I kind of think it wrecked him for a while there and it was really frustrating and a bit sad for me to see my wee mates demeanor changed full stop after such an experience.
They tell you that they will get a "small shock" but they belt the crap out of them and did it to all the dogs that were present for the day, hearing all the other dogs yelping and carrying on is probably an experience in itself for a young dog. If I had the time back I just wouldn't have done it and just take my dog somewhere else to hunt

I would hunt somewhere else too. Thats no way to train a dog. Shit I have a dog that would most likely "point" Kiwi and were she to get "fried" for doing so then I believe that would have a less than positive outcome for her hunting...............
I have and use the Garmin E collars but have never needed more than level 3 which I cannot even feel with the contacts on my own leg.

Not always bad the guy I used to use in Hamilton was brilliant, just a light tickle as it should be. Unfortunately he doesn't do it anymore and about to try out the new guy in Thames.

if some ....fuc.....moro.....ars......person did that to my dog..the collar would be put on thier neck and button pushed...Ive seen dogs ruined by E collars and also seen them used correctly....sounds like this ...operator is some sort of power trip freak.....

Originally Posted by mikee

I would hunt somewhere else too. Thats no way to train a dog. Shit I have a dog that would most likely "point" Kiwi and were she to get "fried" for doing so then I believe that would have a less than positive outcome for her hunting...............
I have and use the Garmin E collars but have never needed more than level 3 which I cannot even feel with the contacts on my own leg.

my two both are also used on birds.....but they know....they dont go and grab something UNLESS told to do so...no different to a possum...not allowed to even look at them...but sometimes when it is "right there in tree beside track 6 inches from my nose Dad"...they can be funny as hell telling me its there but Im not looking...while tail going flat out....

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Can't help with your query but I will add my 2c on aversion training.
I use a Garmin collar on Bo for the tracking features and should I ever lose him and he's always been perfectly fine with it. However, after the aversion training (they literally just put a training collar on them, let them go over and sniff the decoy and then belt the crap out of them with the remote) Bo took a long time to come right after the experience and wouldn't hunt full stop with his Garmin collar on, would just stick right beside me and was generally very nervous with the collar on, I kind of think it wrecked him for a while there and it was really frustrating and a bit sad for me to see my wee mates demeanor changed full stop after such an experience.
They tell you that they will get a "small shock" but they belt the crap out of them and did it to all the dogs that were present for the day, hearing all the other dogs yelping and carrying on is probably an experience in itself for a young dog. If I had the time back I just wouldn't have done it and just take my dog somewhere else to hunt

That @Ryan_Songhurst is bloody terrible to hear. Shock collars are an excellent tool in the right hands imo. I’ve used one and made sure that I tried it out on myself first. Was brilliant for such a head strong dog which I had in Dude. I hate electric fences and shocks full stop! Was even really uncomfortable with my recent visit to the Special Police in France just now where the guy was showing us an unloaded taser. Was actually feeling sick and asked him to stop pointing it in my direction
So with Dude I’d first shock myself at the lowest setting then put it on him and used it. See what the result was. Setting 1 he showed no response two was a slight shake of the head 3 was a hop. Never needed 4. And never got a full jump bark yelp. That’s just bloody cruel!

Id bloody well ask the guy/girl to use it on them first if they said no then I’d tell em to stick it.
Man if someone films this and sends it off to the rspca

Tell you what pressing the button on my e collar the first time sure had my bum puckering

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Can't help with your query but I will add my 2c on aversion training.
I use a Garmin collar on Bo for the tracking features and should I ever lose him and he's always been perfectly fine with it. However, after the aversion training (they literally just put a training collar on them, let them go over and sniff the decoy and then belt the crap out of them with the remote) Bo took a long time to come right after the experience and wouldn't hunt full stop with his Garmin collar on, would just stick right beside me and was generally very nervous with the collar on, I kind of think it wrecked him for a while there and it was really frustrating and a bit sad for me to see my wee mates demeanor changed full stop after such an experience.
They tell you that they will get a "small shock" but they belt the crap out of them and did it to all the dogs that were present for the day, hearing all the other dogs yelping and carrying on is probably an experience in itself for a young dog. If I had the time back I just wouldn't have done it and just take my dog somewhere else to hunt

Yup.
I was interested in putting my dog through, so had a yarn to a mate that had put his dog in the course.
He basically said the same as your experience.
So I didn't go through with it.
Just plain cruelty in my view.