Thread: Korthals Griffon

Originally Posted by kawhia

new blood for the cesky won't really provide anything as world wide they are bottle necked and are using other breeds to try and fix the inbreeding problems, interesting the WPG, wirehaired pointing griffon, not the korthals is what they are using.

@kawhia this is interesting. If they were actually cross breeding into the 1950's as staled in the article wouldn't this have served as a quite broad genetic base? - although I guess 70 years of line breeding since would have channelled the breed into some tight genetics now.

How do the DD breeders work with this? Or does the larger population mean a larger gene pool (like with our sheep breeds)?

https://www.gundogmag.com/editorial/...-fousek/175470

Found this too which answers some of these questions, and says that the Cesky was used to improve the Griffon recently, not visa versa: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0221418

Originally Posted by Tahr

@kawhia this is interesting. If they were actually cross breeding into the 1950's as staled in the article wouldn't this have served as a quite broad genetic base? - although I guess 70 years of line breeding since would have channelled the breed into some tight genetics now.

How do the DD breeders work with this? Or does the larger population mean a larger gene pool (like with our sheep breeds)?

https://www.gundogmag.com/editorial/...-fousek/175470

Found this too which answers some of these questions, and says that the Cesky was used to improve the Griffon recently, not visa versa: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0221418

All breeds of dogs, cattle, sheep, wild deer, etc that have been brought here take some time to be sorted out and make any progress. This is because only some of the individuals express genes suitable for NZ. What this then means is that bringing some new dog breed to NZ can be expected to initially fail and be a disappointment for a few generations while the best suited individuals are tested and used to establish a useful breeding line.
Brains are pretty important in dogs and so is a friendly biddable nature. If it is a nice friendly good natured dog there are always plenty of people who will look after it or take it when we finally get past needing it IMO. I am a bit wary of a lot of new imported breeds - some are great but plenty are dumb

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

All breeds of dogs, cattle, sheep, wild deer, etc that have been brought here take some time to be sorted out and make any progress. This is because only some of the individuals express genes suitable for NZ. What this then means is that bringing some new dog breed to NZ can be expected to initially fail and be a disappointment for a few generations while the best suited individuals are tested and used to establish a useful breeding line.
Brains are pretty important in dogs and so is a friendly biddable nature. If it is a nice friendly good natured dog there are always plenty of people who will look after it or take it when we finally get past needing it IMO. I am a bit wary of a lot of new imported breeds - some are great but plenty are dumb

I also find it interesting that good pedigree dogs (just to clarify I mean working hunting dogs) are generally more wallet friendly that the designer low allergy,low shedding muts which seem to prevail now, and you have some idea of what the dog will look like/behave like.

Mind you I am a bit of a snob I guess in that when people ask me what breed my dogs are I like a simple answer........................pointer, not this crossed with that!

My workmate has a Cavoodle and a Spoodle both of which cost $1800-$1900 each provided they agree to have a litter from each for the breeder, WTF!!