With all the talk about deer dogs and some of the advice and comments coming from it got me thinking, is there an in between breed
With regards to a german pointer being like a ferrari and advice to start out with a lab
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With all the talk about deer dogs and some of the advice and comments coming from it got me thinking, is there an in between breed
With regards to a german pointer being like a ferrari and advice to start out with a lab
go the lab:thumbsup:
I've done my research and as I want a dedicated deer dog, I'll be getting a Viszla as a bit more aggro and gutsy than a GSP, so will grab and hold a wounded animal if need be. I worry too much about a Lab barking when excited and a GSP is just too timid for my liking
there are awesome viszla/black lab cross puppies on tm now, I have been very tempted!
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i'd suggest you do a bit more research mate........ aggro and gutsy are not words i'd use to describe a vizsla... timid and soft is the norm............ and i wouldn't desribe any german as a ferrari, they are more like a ute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunt4life
:) Emphasis on the "more" rather than a label
Identify your target beyond all doubt! Sorry won't cut it later and no deer is worth the fall out. Safe and happy hunting :)
an aggro or even a gutsy vizsla is the exception.
most are typical in temp and hard is not it.
I might be able to handle a ute then, i need to go down the road and have a yarn with grant, maybe go for a walk or 2 with him
Im just gathering info, still couple of years away at least, cant do any dog justice having pig dogs at home as well, dont have the time and want to do it right
I hear heaps of horror stories about GSP's (who doesnt) but fewer about Viszlas. Is this just coincidental or are Viszlas really easier to handle dogs?
I should add most of the horror stories are about GSPs being absolutely mental
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Where do the storys come from phillip, ive seen mental of both breeds, but not there fault, its the owners keeping them as indoor pets, but tell you what... fuck do they hunt when they get to escape the property haha 2 or 3 days at a time
Why are Kawhia and 7mmwsm saying anything about 'hard' when referring to Viszlas? Moonhunt clearly has the measure of pig dogs and I didn't suggest any Viszla nor GSP nor any deer dog should be 'hard'. It's easy to put a gruff accent on when reading your posts. There's a good reason why these two breeds and the equally crazy and needy Weimaraner are generally preferred deer dogs in Europe and NZ. I've seen top performing mongrels in action too, but for dedicated sharp nose and point on deer, my personal choice would be Viszla
Identify your target beyond all doubt! Sorry won't cut it later and no deer is worth the fall out. Safe and happy hunting :)
I've had both Vizsla and GSP and there is no chance a Vizslak will ever be as hardy as a GSP. They are not as solid nor are they well endowed with a coat that will make a true all seasons, all purpose NZ hunting dog.
I have yet to see a single Weimerana out in the bush but I do know of a very decent one doing trials.
As with all animals bred by people there are exceptions at both ends of the spectrum.
Hunt4life, you were the one who said they were more "aggro and gutsy".
Kawhia and 7mmwsm are simply pointing out that is not the case and if that is your reason for leaning towards that breed then you are mistaken.
Most of the GSPs I've met would run from a pig and I can't see a visla being much different from the few I've seen.
But the breed has certainly been flavour of the month for a while now much as GSP's were in their time.
On the same deer / dog page but from a different angle there`s been a dog in a hunting area living with reds for the last month at least, one hunter got a roar then a bark like he`s watching out for them, heard him this morning as well
Can anyone comment on these... im guessing there just starting out
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Wouldn't have a clue but they're a nice looking dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by moonhunt
Fair call mate :)
Identify your target beyond all doubt! Sorry won't cut it later and no deer is worth the fall out. Safe and happy hunting :)
Something differant aye, just had a quick skim on google... cant hack the coldQuote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
That could well be my old uncle harry hermit, feeds the wild deer pig nuts and has a blind old dog with him, dog follows the deer scent and port royal tabbaco smell around, tell your mate to cut there wind and if you smell the port royal you will know what im on about :D :D :D :thumbsup: :wtfsmilie:Quote:
Originally Posted by lloydcj
You're exactly right. They need space or at least shit loads of walks (runs maybe). I wish I didn't live in suburbia!Quote:
Originally Posted by moonhunt
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This could be a score, moonhunt. Its 3 years old so potentially past the puppy phase? Already trained on birds and deer. May not be perfect but probably a leg-up on the training in the very least. And its free!
What do some of the more knowledgeable guys on here reckon about taking a 3 year old dog instead of a pup?
I missed that Phillip, add has expired, i didnt know there were so many free dogs on there
Dont see any harm in trying something like that, bit of a lottery though, if it was a pig dog i wouldnt id rather bring a pup up with the pack and so much more rewarding when you start a pup out and watch all your effort turn into results
Dont be put off living in the city, you just need to be strategic, live next door to some land, bush park or what ever, not a 30 min drive or more to give the dog a runQuote:
Originally Posted by phillipgr
I think having a very fit but bored dog is worse than having an unfit one if you know what i mean
Gutted! Not too surprised it didn't last very long though aye.Quote:
Originally Posted by moonhunt
I've got a couple parks real close and I figured I could bike around the block with it to really give it a run around. When I get one I mean haha. I can also take it up to woodhill to get it indicating for more regular practice, its not too hard to get onto deer up there. You can too when you get yours.
I took this pic up in the bush today,a good place to advertise a dog needing a new home............it might be gone .
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Yep ive got a vizla choc lab cross shes a handful but beautifully natured. She needs alot of work but shows signs of incredible intelligence amongst her normal lunacy. Time will tell but shes a pet for sure.
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I've owned 3 Vizslak. My first one, an import, half Hungarian, was hard as fuck when she needed to be, dragged deer down, finished the odd animal while doing goats for my employer. Nose like I haven't seen since. The other two were NZ bred, big pussies, and relatively useless, ended up in the hole and I left the breed.
I honestly think it is easier to get a good GSP in NZ than a Vizsla, and thats saying something as the GSP breed is in ruins here too. Even in Europe the Vizsla is almost obsolete. In its home country the DD and the wirehair vizsla has more of a following amongst hunters, the shorthaired Vizsla is the domain of the show crowd
I would think a GSP would be a tougher dog than a Vizsla as far as temperament goes. I have 2 Vizslas now and have had GSPs in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunt4life
My young gsp bailed up a wounded pig I should never had shot at ( another story) . It turned out a flesh wound and the wee boar was not going with out a fight ,it broke, dog stoped him and bailed hard . Even when I snuck in dog never came off , I couldnt get a clean shot so watched the pig charge him a few times then break to be bailed again . Finally to be dispatched by the rifle 15 mins later. I was very surprised by the dogs attitude to that pig , if the pig had been bigger I think it would have opened my dog up like a can opener . When I pig hunted bailing dogs where mostly very slow to start , and learnt there trade off older dogs . It's ironic that when I don't need one , I sort of got one by default .
the ability to handle pigs should always be there in a gsp in my opinion, too much breeding for other shit has turned most into sissys.
