yes a lot of our goat hunters tried them and cold and river crossings they suffer - my two good mates are on their third + generation of spaniel heading dog cross - by line breeding from the best indicators with the right temperament they now have some absolute top dogs -for hunters who are not well versed in dog training vizlas can be a handfull - for the first two years you have an idiot untill they get a lot more mature - yes they can be very good even brilliant but need someone with some measure of training nous - a mate ran one and said the only real problem he had apart from being an idiot was indicating deer especially Ruahines the deer could be a kilometer down the face if the wind was right and yet the way the vizla was indicating one would think it was 50 metre away - pure heading dogs especially strong eye type can be a problem - one kiwi dog I knew a tri coloured strong eye was fixated with fetching sticks for some reason - pure border collie can be very good but need again a careful owner - many can be very shy and definitely a one person dog but respond well to a kind owner - but cross that with a springer spaniel and you are away
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