Thread: Air pistols and robberies

I've noticed more and more robberies reported where the dickheads have used air pistols. Of course the media just reports "pistols" as per the below article from today. I wonder if this is damaging the image of legitimate pistol shooters like myself? Any opinions on the matter? Is it time to make them A cat? I'm typically against further regulation.

Armed robbery victim had owned Ngaruawahia dairy for only four months - National - NZ Herald News

Originally Posted by mcdeee

I've noticed more and more robberies reported where the dickheads have used air pistols. Of course the media just reports "pistols" as per the below article from today. I wonder if this is damaging the image of legitimate pistol shooters like myself? Any opinions on the matter? Is it time to make them A cat? I'm typically against further regulation.

Armed robbery victim had owned Ngaruawahia dairy for only four months - National - NZ Herald News

How do you know it was an air pistol used in the robbery?

How would making them A cat prevent robberies?

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

How do you know it was an air pistol used in the robbery?

Just seems 98% likely. Petty criminal would be risking a lot with a real pistol in public.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

How would making them A cat prevent robberies?

Well, it would be too late anyway as they're well and truly out there. Just thinking about the kind of person who would rob a dairy, and whether they would qualify for a firearms licence. It might make it slightly harder.

I'm not saying I support this, I'm just thinking out loud.

Criminals don't need a firearms licence.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

Criminals don't need a firearms licence.

Yeah, quite.

What they need is tougher sentencing for using a firearm in a crime.
If it was 6 months home d for robbing a dairy with a screwdriver and 10 years maximum security for the same with a pistol you would suddenly see a lot less pistols used.

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Or if we tackled the reason's for people robbing Dairy's in the first place.

How about we just arm the dairy owners?

sooner or later a grumpy dairy owner is going to shoot one of these dickheads, then he will be prosecuted of course.
no wonder the criminals have no respect they know 99.9% of people will comply and fork over the money

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

What they need is tougher sentencing for using a firearm in a crime.
If it was 6 months home d for robbing a dairy with a screwdriver and 10 years maximum security for the same with a pistol you would suddenly see a lot less pistols used.

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Any sort of armed robbery should be looking at a ten stretch. Anything with illegal firearms an extra five for flavour, even if not actually used (in a meth lab for instance). As for "the reasons for robbing dairies", well, they're criminal arseholes - fuck them! Want more money? Work harder, get a second job, stop smoking, stop having a ton of kids they can't afford etc etc etc. Making excuses for these human vermin just enables it and continues this bullshit.

Originally Posted by Tommy

Any sort of armed robbery should be looking at a ten stretch. Anything with illegal firearms an extra five for flavour, even if not actually used (in a meth lab for instance). As for "the reasons for robbing dairies", well, they're criminal arseholes - fuck them! Want more money? Work harder, get a second job, stop smoking, stop having a ton of kids they can't afford etc etc etc. Making excuses for these human vermin just enables it and continues this bullshit.

Ok cool.

Do you think social programs would be more or less expensive than locking up hundreds of "Human Vermin?" in Jails that are now businesses?

The gap between rich and poor in New Zealand is growing at such a rate that people are "opting out" of regular society.A heavy handed approach to Crime is not going to make the real problem go away.

Originally Posted by norsk

Ok cool.

Do you think social programs would be more or less expensive than locking up hundreds of "Human Vermin?" in Jails that are now businesses?

The gap between rich and poor in New Zealand is growing at such a rate that people are "opting out" of regular society.A heavy handed approach to Crime is not going to make the real problem go away.

So long as the risk/reward ratio runs in their favour, social programs are a joke. We've had a couple of generations of Palmers social program, and it hasn't worked. It's a revolving door of scum on 3 digits of convictions. A failure. I read yesterday we are up to a burglary every 7 minutes. Instead of sidelining these arseholes for 6 months at a time (via concurrent sentencing), whereupon they get out and reoffend (and very often while on bail, some are horrendous), when we lock them up again. It's horseshit and you know it. There is demonstrable evidence that deterrent sentencing works.

Edit: Also, to cost of locking them up. It costs MORE to lock em up multiple short durations than less, longer spells. And you know what? Less people get fucked over in the meantime

Originally Posted by Tommy

So long as the risk/reward ratio runs in their favour, social programs are a joke. We've had a couple of generations of Palmers social program, and it hasn't worked. It's a revolving door of scum on 3 digits of convictions. A failure. I read yesterday we are up to a burglary every 7 minutes. Instead of sidelining these arseholes for 6 months at a time (via concurrent sentencing), whereupon they get out and reoffend (and very often while on bail, some are horrendous), when we lock them up again. It's horseshit and you know it. There is demonstrable evidence that deterrent sentencing works.

I don't "know it" Tommy.

Neither of us are going to win this argument as we both look at this from different veiw points.

People commit crime for a reason,reducing that reason would reduce the offending.If you impose manditory sentencing for armed robbery,then the reason to offend still exists,the method of offending changes.

More and more people are born into social disadvantage in New Zealand,more and more hard working people are finding it harder to get ahead.Society pays the price for people offending.