Thread: Air pistols and robberies

Originally Posted by norsk

Ok cool.

Do you think social programs would be more or less expensive than locking up hundreds of "Human Vermin?" in Jails that are now businesses?

The gap between rich and poor in New Zealand is growing at such a rate that people are "opting out" of regular society.A heavy handed approach to Crime is not going to make the real problem go away.

So long as the risk/reward ratio runs in their favour, social programs are a joke. We've had a couple of generations of Palmers social program, and it hasn't worked. It's a revolving door of scum on 3 digits of convictions. A failure. I read yesterday we are up to a burglary every 7 minutes. Instead of sidelining these arseholes for 6 months at a time (via concurrent sentencing), whereupon they get out and reoffend (and very often while on bail, some are horrendous), when we lock them up again. It's horseshit and you know it. There is demonstrable evidence that deterrent sentencing works.

Edit: Also, to cost of locking them up. It costs MORE to lock em up multiple short durations than less, longer spells. And you know what? Less people get fucked over in the meantime

Originally Posted by Tommy

So long as the risk/reward ratio runs in their favour, social programs are a joke. We've had a couple of generations of Palmers social program, and it hasn't worked. It's a revolving door of scum on 3 digits of convictions. A failure. I read yesterday we are up to a burglary every 7 minutes. Instead of sidelining these arseholes for 6 months at a time (via concurrent sentencing), whereupon they get out and reoffend (and very often while on bail, some are horrendous), when we lock them up again. It's horseshit and you know it. There is demonstrable evidence that deterrent sentencing works.

I don't "know it" Tommy.

Neither of us are going to win this argument as we both look at this from different veiw points.

People commit crime for a reason,reducing that reason would reduce the offending.If you impose manditory sentencing for armed robbery,then the reason to offend still exists,the method of offending changes.

More and more people are born into social disadvantage in New Zealand,more and more hard working people are finding it harder to get ahead.Society pays the price for people offending.

Originally Posted by norsk

I don't "know it" Tommy.

Neither of us are going to win this argument as we both look at this from different veiw points..

Correct, however, you are in dreamland.

People commit crime for a reason

Yes, criminality.

reducing that reason would reduce the offending

Cool, so rape cos she's hot is on? I spent all my money on codys and ciggies and the TAB on thursday, so the money you have (by not frittering it on these things) is my money, I just have to come get it? What 's your address?

If you impose manditory sentencing for armed robbery,then the reason to offend still exists,the method of offending change

Nope, you think twice, cos you aren't out by xmas this time around

More and more people are born into social disadvantage in New Zealand

Yep and most aren't thieving cunts. Some CHOOSE that path.

more and more hard working people are finding it harder to get ahead

Minter, I want a spa, my own home, two rentals, a nice boat, missus with bolt on tits, and a mistress with different bolt on tits for variety. Which bank do I rob? Or should I do multiple dairy robberies (the family owned ones, you know, the ones that are struggling to get ahead) and sell the tobacco on facebook, and down the pub? How many dairy robberies is too many?

Society pays the price for people offending.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Tommy

Correct, however, you are in dreamland.



Yes, criminality.



Cool, so rape cos she's hot is on? I spent all my money on codys and ciggies and the TAB on thursday, so the money you have (by not frittering it on these things) is my money, I just have to come get it? What 's your address?



Nope, you think twice, cos you aren't out by xmas this time around



Yep and most aren't thieving cunts. Some CHOOSE that path.



Minter, I want a spa, my own home, two rentals, a nice boat, missus with bolt on tits, and a mistress with different bolt on tits for variety. Which bank do I rob? Or should I do multiple dairy robberies (the family owned ones, you know, the ones that are struggling to get ahead) and sell the tobacco on facebook, and down the pub? How many dairy robberies is too many?



Agreed.

Hear Fucken Hear!!!

Tommy for Prime Minister

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Hear Fucken Hear!!!

Tommy for Prime Minister

Hell no! Tommy would probably ban us from using factory ammo

Originally Posted by Steve123

Hell no! Tommy would probably ban us from using factory ammo

Then where would the range brass come from? The brass harvest would be dire!

Originally Posted by norsk

I don't "know it" Tommy.

Neither of us are going to win this argument as we both look at this from different veiw points.

People commit crime for a reason,reducing that reason would reduce the offending.If you impose manditory sentencing for armed robbery,then the reason to offend still exists,the method of offending changes.

More and more people are born into social disadvantage in New Zealand,more and more hard working people are finding it harder to get ahead.Society pays the price for people offending.

Norsk your view is fine in theory but in practical reality has not worked so I am with Tommy on this. We have had a welfare state in New Zealand for several decades now but instead of the various benefits being viewed as a hand up for which there should be gratitude they are seen as a hand out to which there is an overwhelming sense of entitlement by many of the recipients. I firmly believe that the choices a person makes can overcome any social disadvantage that they have the misfortune to be born into.