Thread: Air pistols and robberies

Originally Posted by Maca49

Knowing a few on here we have come from similar starts to you and have made our own way through life without privilege, it's a self attitude and a motivation to do some thing with your life. @Rushy I view my super as a god given right! Don't go there!

I wasn't talking about your super you cranky old codger.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Hear Fucken Hear!!!

Tommy for Prime Minister

Hell no! Tommy would probably ban us from using factory ammo

Originally Posted by Rushy

I wasn't talking about your super you cranky old codger.

I'll take that as a compliment!

Originally Posted by mikee

No argument from me. I work hard for my $$ and we look after ourselves and yet I find I am constantly being expected to "pay more" or "my share"

Well F#$k me why, really takes away the intensive to work hard when you can do Sweet FA and still get looked after.
Don't get me started about all the bleating about house prices

Nothing wrong with house prices! They've made me millions!!! Hahahahaha

Its really quite simple , its risk vs reward , thats in the real world , however NZ does not live in the real world , the trend has been away from , 1 ) holding people to account for doing wrong , & 2 ) punishing them to a correct level .
And by being too soft on the crims , we are really telling them its OK to do criminal acts .

Look at how things where say 30yrs ago , a crim virtually never struck a Police Officer , EVER , why they actually knew they would be up in front a real Judge the next day ( not next yr ) , and he would sentence the crim to 6mths minimum , end of short story , a known & imediate consciquence .

Now see what happens , the Lawers & Judges put off sentencing for several mths , and when they have maxed out the legal gravy train money , then 6-12 mths latter they hand down a sentence that is as harsh a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket .

Yrs ago a old Cop in charge of the Police stn cells , had a jumped up woman Lawyer come to see a prisioner , the Old Cop had the guy handcuffed & chained down in the interview room , he tells her he is very violet and will kill her given 1/2 a chance , see says NO , he is not to be treated like a animal , and abuses the hell out of the Old Cop , at this stage he has had enough .
So he does as the lawyer asks , uncuffs/chains him , & knowing whats about to happen , goes for a smoke outside , takes his time ( he could have stayed outsied the room & been able to respond imediately to trouble/noise etc ) , once he has finished his smoke , comes back inside to see how she is .
Yeap , almost dead , not quite , Old Cop grabs the prisioner puts the cuffs back on him , rings for ambulance .

Guess what , when he next sees her , she is walknig with a permeant limp , and she LISTENs to the Old Cops advise now , and NEVER interviews a prisoner again with out the prisioner being restrained .

Guess she learned how the real world works , instead of her utopia world , as in all things there is a gap between actual & theory .

though i think you mean violent not violet i agree completely

Originally Posted by Steve123

Hell no! Tommy would probably ban us from using factory ammo

Then where would the range brass come from? The brass harvest would be dire!

Just to illustate a difference , in NZ you can do somethings , and in say the Philippines those same things are not options at all , so all countries are different in what can or should be done .

Here's a true story , but it serves to show you vast difference in what is needs to be done .

Basically , a guy runs a little shop in a small town in the Philippines , he employs a guy to work in the shop , after a short time he realises the guy is stealing from him , so sacks him , pretty std so far, no dramas you think , there is a consquence for his action .
But he thinks he has been treated unfairly ( he has not , hes just a wrongun ) , so he ambushs his old boss , as he leaves his shop on scooter , shots him in the back of the head a couple of times with a 45acp pistol .
So in short he has committed murder , and everyone in the village knows it , and his name and where he lives , and they do nothing .
The family of the young guy killed , rightly want Justice , But as this is the Philippines , things are vastly different from the developed world , so the options are very different , they go to the police & tell them what has happened , and the name & address of the killer , I can tell you , that the cops will say Yeap thanks for that we will look into it , thats a total lie , what they do is stay seated playing cards ( you are thinking WHY ? , are they doing nothing , because why work when you 1 ) get payed poorly 2 ) can do nothing 3 ) feel if people want them to work they can pay / bribe them to do their actual job 4 ) it maybe a little risky to arrest him ( not too much of a problem as they are heavly armed & have numbers on their side 5 ) it may cause more problems in village ( so they do NOTHING , thats the default for them .

So their are only 3 options available to the family .

1 ) Take the law into their own hands & have either a family member kill him or pay a contract killer to do it ( this is the cheapest option in terms of money spent ) , and its the quickest .

2 ) Do NOTHING , in NZ you are thinking , that this is not Justice , but maybe you can live with IT , actually this is NOT a option EVER in the Philippiines , because what you have just done is tell everyone in the Village they can steal & kill your family members and donot have to worry about the consquences , as there are none , and now more of your family will be killed & robbed , opps .

3 ) Pay the Cops to arrest him , pay the Cops & Polices chief to hold in the cell , then pay Lawyer & Judge to do thier JOB , and once you have him in prision , you pay the Prision Warden to keep him in prision , and even thou you have payed the Police off ( bribe ) , and the Lawyer & the Judge ( bribe ) , you will still be paying the Prision Warden off evry year you want him to stay in prision , thats what happens in the Philippines .

This is not the way Justice should work , but its the real world for people who live in the Philippines & maybe other 3rd world countries , now just to be crystal clear , the Philippines has a LOT of Laws , written as statues/etc , but is let down by the actions of the services agencys that should make the Laws REAL/Work .

Opps , OK , most people in the Philippines are poor , having said that run thru the 3 options I gave you , and pick , what you think happens most often , remember you are poor , evry poor .

Opps , option 3 # is very , very expensive , you are paying off a LOT of people , and as in all things the higher the postion the MORE they want , the Judge gets a whole lot more than say the Cop .

Originally Posted by mcdeee

I've noticed more and more robberies reported where the dickheads have used air pistols. Of course the media just reports "pistols" as per the below article from today. I wonder if this is damaging the image of legitimate pistol shooters like myself?

@mcdeee,

Yes.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

If it was 6 months home d for robbing a dairy with a screwdriver and 10 years maximum security for the same with a pistol you would suddenly see a lot less pistol

@veitnamcam,

I do see what you mean, but if you've ever been threatened with a knife, or a screwdriver for that matter, you'd wish the perpetrator to also go away for a looong time. A lethal weapon is a lethal weapon is a lethal weapon, is it not? Threatening to kill, whatever way, is an extreme act and warrants dire consequences. You just do NOT point any weapon at anyone, zero tolerance!

Originally Posted by Cordite

@mcdeee,

Yes.




@veitnamcam,

I do see what you mean, but if you've ever been threatened with a knife, or a screwdriver for that matter, you'd wish the perpetrator to also go away for a looong time. A lethal weapon is a lethal weapon is a lethal weapon, is it not? Threatening to kill, whatever way, is an extreme act and warrants dire consequences. You just do NOT point any weapon at anyone, zero tolerance!

Yes I have been threatened with a knife,I knocked him on his arse and picked up his knife (not a recommended course of action) but a firearm can reach out and kill from a distance you have no opportunity to defend yourself from,A pistol has the potential to shoot say everyone in a dairy in a matter of seconds, a screwdriver does not have the same potential.

Here is a way to reduce robberies in dairy's slash tobacco prices by 85% I have never smoked but I have noticed as tobacco has gone up so has the amount of violent dairy robberies.
Take the value of the reward out of the crime then what's the point in committing the crime to begin with ?

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Yes I have been threatened with a knife,I knocked him on his arse and picked up his knife (not a recommended course of action) but a firearm can reach out and kill from a distance you have no opportunity to defend yourself from,A pistol has the potential to shoot say everyone in a dairy in a matter of seconds, a screwdriver does not have the same potential.

@veitnamcam

I'm glad you were young and strong enough to defend yourself back in that situation.

Screwdrivers (and knives) do not have the same mass-killing potential as handguns. This is balanced however by the fact that there are so many more of them, and in many more hands. They therefore might warrant more severe deterrents against abuse, but definitely not less.

Not sure about you guys, but I'd rather be robbed with an airsoft gun than a knife.

Truthfully if they don't have their fake gun, they're just going to grab a knife out the kitchen.

What would you personally prefer?

@Jexla

They will rob you, leave you, and you'll have been threatened with your life either way. You will not know it was an airsoft gun. Apart from that, yes, safer to have such robberies done with an airsoft gun, but it leaves people harmed either way.