Thread: Air pistols and robberies

I've noticed more and more robberies reported where the dickheads have used air pistols. Of course the media just reports "pistols" as per the below article from today. I wonder if this is damaging the image of legitimate pistol shooters like myself? Any opinions on the matter? Is it time to make them A cat? I'm typically against further regulation.

Armed robbery victim had owned Ngaruawahia dairy for only four months - National - NZ Herald News

Originally Posted by mcdeee

I've noticed more and more robberies reported where the dickheads have used air pistols. Of course the media just reports "pistols" as per the below article from today. I wonder if this is damaging the image of legitimate pistol shooters like myself? Any opinions on the matter? Is it time to make them A cat? I'm typically against further regulation.

Armed robbery victim had owned Ngaruawahia dairy for only four months - National - NZ Herald News

How do you know it was an air pistol used in the robbery?

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

How do you know it was an air pistol used in the robbery?

Just seems 98% likely. Petty criminal would be risking a lot with a real pistol in public.

Originally Posted by mcdeee

Just seems 98% likely. Petty criminal would be risking a lot with a real pistol in public.

You are risking your life with an air pistol. A couple of years ago a young fellah was fatally shot by police just a few miles down the road from here when he foolishly pointed a air pistol and thinking it was funny wouldn't put it down when told to do so.

How would making them A cat prevent robberies?

Originally Posted by Koshogi

How would making them A cat prevent robberies?

Well, it would be too late anyway as they're well and truly out there. Just thinking about the kind of person who would rob a dairy, and whether they would qualify for a firearms licence. It might make it slightly harder.

I'm not saying I support this, I'm just thinking out loud.

Criminals don't need a firearms licence.

Originally Posted by Koshogi

Criminals don't need a firearms licence.

Yeah, quite.

What they need is tougher sentencing for using a firearm in a crime.
If it was 6 months home d for robbing a dairy with a screwdriver and 10 years maximum security for the same with a pistol you would suddenly see a lot less pistols used.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

What they need is tougher sentencing for using a firearm in a crime.
If it was 6 months home d for robbing a dairy with a screwdriver and 10 years maximum security for the same with a pistol you would suddenly see a lot less pistols used.

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Any sort of armed robbery should be looking at a ten stretch. Anything with illegal firearms an extra five for flavour, even if not actually used (in a meth lab for instance). As for "the reasons for robbing dairies", well, they're criminal arseholes - fuck them! Want more money? Work harder, get a second job, stop smoking, stop having a ton of kids they can't afford etc etc etc. Making excuses for these human vermin just enables it and continues this bullshit.

Originally Posted by Tommy

Any sort of armed robbery should be looking at a ten stretch. Anything with illegal firearms an extra five for flavour, even if not actually used (in a meth lab for instance). As for "the reasons for robbing dairies", well, they're criminal arseholes - fuck them! Want more money? Work harder, get a second job, stop smoking, stop having a ton of kids they can't afford etc etc etc. Making excuses for these human vermin just enables it and continues this bullshit.

Ok cool.

Do you think social programs would be more or less expensive than locking up hundreds of "Human Vermin?" in Jails that are now businesses?

The gap between rich and poor in New Zealand is growing at such a rate that people are "opting out" of regular society.A heavy handed approach to Crime is not going to make the real problem go away.

Originally Posted by norsk

Ok cool.

Do you think social programs would be more or less expensive than locking up hundreds of "Human Vermin?" in Jails that are now businesses?

The gap between rich and poor in New Zealand is growing at such a rate that people are "opting out" of regular society.A heavy handed approach to Crime is not going to make the real problem go away.

So long as the risk/reward ratio runs in their favour, social programs are a joke. We've had a couple of generations of Palmers social program, and it hasn't worked. It's a revolving door of scum on 3 digits of convictions. A failure. I read yesterday we are up to a burglary every 7 minutes. Instead of sidelining these arseholes for 6 months at a time (via concurrent sentencing), whereupon they get out and reoffend (and very often while on bail, some are horrendous), when we lock them up again. It's horseshit and you know it. There is demonstrable evidence that deterrent sentencing works.

Edit: Also, to cost of locking them up. It costs MORE to lock em up multiple short durations than less, longer spells. And you know what? Less people get fucked over in the meantime

Originally Posted by Tommy

So long as the risk/reward ratio runs in their favour, social programs are a joke. We've had a couple of generations of Palmers social program, and it hasn't worked. It's a revolving door of scum on 3 digits of convictions. A failure. I read yesterday we are up to a burglary every 7 minutes. Instead of sidelining these arseholes for 6 months at a time (via concurrent sentencing), whereupon they get out and reoffend (and very often while on bail, some are horrendous), when we lock them up again. It's horseshit and you know it. There is demonstrable evidence that deterrent sentencing works.

I don't "know it" Tommy.

Neither of us are going to win this argument as we both look at this from different veiw points.

People commit crime for a reason,reducing that reason would reduce the offending.If you impose manditory sentencing for armed robbery,then the reason to offend still exists,the method of offending changes.

More and more people are born into social disadvantage in New Zealand,more and more hard working people are finding it harder to get ahead.Society pays the price for people offending.

Originally Posted by Cordite

@mcdeee,

Yes.




@veitnamcam,

I do see what you mean, but if you've ever been threatened with a knife, or a screwdriver for that matter, you'd wish the perpetrator to also go away for a looong time. A lethal weapon is a lethal weapon is a lethal weapon, is it not? Threatening to kill, whatever way, is an extreme act and warrants dire consequences. You just do NOT point any weapon at anyone, zero tolerance!

Yes I have been threatened with a knife,I knocked him on his arse and picked up his knife (not a recommended course of action) but a firearm can reach out and kill from a distance you have no opportunity to defend yourself from,A pistol has the potential to shoot say everyone in a dairy in a matter of seconds, a screwdriver does not have the same potential.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Yes I have been threatened with a knife,I knocked him on his arse and picked up his knife (not a recommended course of action) but a firearm can reach out and kill from a distance you have no opportunity to defend yourself from,A pistol has the potential to shoot say everyone in a dairy in a matter of seconds, a screwdriver does not have the same potential.

@veitnamcam

I'm glad you were young and strong enough to defend yourself back in that situation.

Screwdrivers (and knives) do not have the same mass-killing potential as handguns. This is balanced however by the fact that there are so many more of them, and in many more hands. They therefore might warrant more severe deterrents against abuse, but definitely not less.