Lmfao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towely
Idiot.
You're right he's a cop, so yup must have zero training in firearms :roll:
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Lmfao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towely
Idiot.
You're right he's a cop, so yup must have zero training in firearms :roll:
Also to note ... PNZ affiliated clubs will only allow you to shoot "Tyro" as in "NO drawing a loaded pistol from a holster" and ONLY allowing you start from a 45 degree angle ... after the "load and make ready" command has been given.
And your also NOT allowed to RUN while carrying or shooting your pistol,carbine,shotgun etc ... you MUST WALK until "Holster Qualified"
Bit more to it than just drawing your gun :) :)
Yes, that has been the case since day 1 when PSI introduced Practical Shooting to NZ in 1983, some time before PNZ took it over.Quote:
Originally Posted by seano
Is there somewhere that it's written that you cannot run until you have done the holster qualification course?Quote:
Originally Posted by seano
When I did the course, I wasn't expecting (until I first read the manual) for them to go over all of the shooting positions, weak hand, strong hand etc. By that stage it was all stuff that I had done at club match level. Not that I think it's a bad thing. I did it as a 1/2 day course and it was no problem time wise or other to cover all those things again.
Now, out of all of the things they covered which wasn't related to drawing , one thing they didn't cover was running. So whats the reasoning behind not being able to run until holster qualified and if thats the case why is there nothing explicit about in in the course?
I was running at club matches as soon as I was confident and of course was always tyro until my course.
No it's not written anywhere, just up to the individual clubs on what they see as best practice. Loads of new shooters try to run and shoot IPSC fast because that's what they see everyone else doing, rather than having the skill to block out a stage, transitions, etc AND shoot straight.
Looks like the holster course at CPC is specific to the club, esp if they're including IPSC rules (which is a great idea), seeing they're including other activities and not just being holster qualified.
Last time we covered moving while shooting, not running, just steady walk while shooting.
Yes, that seems to be how it is. I have talked to a few people and some clubs are different.
Safety should always come first but I have to say that I am glad I didn't have the running restriction and of the new members I have seen under the same conditions, they always work to a level they are confident and only seem to get DQ'd for brainless moments like sweeps or making ready without bening told, etc. Never seen something bad happen as a result of them running.
I could foresee issues like breaking 180 running past target a step to far but that is stuff they will have to deal with when they first tackle stages with speed anyhow.
By that logic then all of your opinions on using pistols in real world situations, not pretend situations, is equally worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towely
Have you had any direct experience with police firearms training, initial and regular?
Thanks @seano , I didn't realise there was more involved in the course than just holster use.
Towley I know serving Police that are also members of a pistol club and what is more, they are holster qualified as well. If your statement is made without knowledge of the level of training Savage1 has had or indeed what else he has done with firearms in his lifetime, then I for one would think your statement equally worthless as you think his opinion on drawing a pistol is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towely
That has to be one of your most PC replies ever pal :wtfsmilie:
Police firearms training has improved a lot in recent years (perhaps because a mate, who was one of the initial very small group that got IPSC started in NZ, is a Police firearms trainer). I shot the Police pistol course at Porirua Police College back when they were still using .38 Spec S&W Model 10 revolvers, and observed the pistol training in progress. I found the course very easy and 'cleaned' it with both the revolver, and then my .45 auto. The recruits were not showing good results at all, and I put that down to group training rather than 1 on 1. I think now more emphasis is placed on firearms training than it was back in the '80's when it was considered by many recruits to be a 'chore' rather than a survival skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
Yeh I just got un PC in another thread and didn't want to go all out and call Towley a twat. Oh shit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nibblet
Security check passed, might be a new toy for christmas!!! Anyone got a CZ shadow they want to sell?
Good choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
Check out GunsNZ, they have Eugenes ones before he switched to Tangfog ones, listed under 2nd hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
Yep seen those ones, seems a bit pricy for a pistol with 50,000 rounds down it.
Nothing is cheap in pistol shooting :D
PNZ Trading Post has a CZ75B with belt,etc. might be a good way to start. Or just dip into the piggy bank and buy new, after all it'll last a while.
That looks like a good deal but what bloody calibre is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
Must be 9mm if it's a CZ 75B.
I paid $750 for my CZ 85 (9mm) and it is a great pistol IMO Hard case and 2 mags
1200 seems farkin expensive
there's a CZ85 at the Pistol New Zealand Trading Post for $900 ONO — Pistol New Zealand
Ive still got my cz75 shadow sitting in the safe and could be tempted to sell but at this stage haven't got anything that I "need" to replace it with. And the wife will quickly convert it to 400 coffees if the money sits in the bank
I know that feeling, had $600 left over after selling one of my rifles, it was going to be towards my pistol, ended up paying bills with it. :TT TT:
A wise woman, guns come and go, but a caffeine addiction lasts a lifetime...honestly if you get 400 coffees for it that is a good deal, mind you I'm thinking Auckland coffee prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by specweapon
Seriously though I used to be of the don't sell unused firearms you'll regret it later school of thought; however my accountant of all people changed my mind and I have yet to feel a pang of regret...that being said I now have a lot of optics that aren't being used ...
I might import one of the Norinco CZ clones when I get my B.
My accountant has always approved of more efficient paper punching devices....... :) it good for business efficiency....
You don't want to sell optics but you don't want them to go unused. Thats why you lend them out to your mates when they get their AR sorted out :) Your mate from apc lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mufasa
seen a norinco 1911 with a bit of work done to it in 45 cal .... that looked the business .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
I have a Norinco 1911 and a CZ75. The 1911 wins hands down
Why on earth would you want a Norinco when the real CZs, from basic models all the way up to the Shadow Orange, are so easily available?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Cuz they're cheap and cuz I can. I'll probably get a real CZ too. Cuz I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Cuz I can, I find is a very good reason for alot of decisions!
Usually by people with more money than sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
That could be correct, or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
I think the clue is in someone who doesn't even have a B endorsement already deciding what they are going to import.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
If they were any good, there would be people importing them already.
I haven't seen many Norinco CZs used at Level III or IV IPSC matches in the last few years (although I'm happy to be proved wrong). There's probably a good reason for that.
Guess I better not buy a P38 or TT33 either then. Can't imagine they're too popular on the IPSC circuit.
Don't be offended @Beavis, it's just that most people without their B endorsement plan on buying Glocks and Deagles. Not, surprisingly well made, pistols like Norinco's that probably cost more to import than buying locally the pistol they're a copy of
Only with people who want to stay at the bottom of D grade forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Or just enjoy the sport of shooting, and don't care about the winning bit, or being at the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
I have been at a reasonable top levels of a couple of sports, and now with shooting, I do it because I enjoy it. I find it a relaxing activity (strange as it seems with the strict safety etc...) and part of this is having a slightly different approach to the norm. Yes I have a competitive gun etc... but I also have some non competitive ones, and I enjoy shooting them probably more.
Each to their own. And I have nothing to prove - because I don't have to in shooting. Do some business with me, that's a different story.
*You are allowed up to 12 pistols on your B endorsement, who's to say I wont own anything competiveQuote:
Originally Posted by systolic
*Maybe I don't care about wanky grades and divisions and just want to shoot shit and have fun