Thread: Tips for CZ shadow shooters

Stumbled across this thread, might be of use to some of you

Smoothing the Action

This one is also good (although is for the SP 01 not the SP 01 Shadow)
http://forums.brianenos.com/index.ph...ofessor-atlas/

A fast way to find yourself bumped from production division to open if you're using it in IPSC like most shadow shooters in NZ.

Stuff production. You paint a bit of your gun a different colour and your out😆
Some really dumb rules those Canadians come up with.

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How is it going to bump you from production? I did a bit of a polish up last night and dropped a pound or so off the SA pull.

From the production class rules

16.1 Modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably required in order to fit replacement OFM parts or components), are prohibited. Other prohibited modifications include those which facilitate faster reloading (e.g. flared, enlarged and/or add-on magwells, etc.), changing the original color and/or finish of a handgun, and/or adding stripes, stippling or other embellishments.

Polishing the trigger bar is removing burrs.

Originally Posted by stug

How is it going to bump you from production? I did a bit of a polish up last night and dropped a pound or so off the SA pull.

Read the IPSC rulebook. Specifically Appendix D6 16.1

Don't worry. Don at Gun Supplies up in Rotorua will have the replacement parts you need to put it back to production legal.

Sounds perfectly legal to me. In fact Chris gee did this kind of work to my shadow as an extra service when I bought it from him. Its within the production rules. I think theres a minimum trigger pull weight? I might be wrong about that though.

Originally Posted by stug

How is it going to bump you from production? I did a bit of a polish up last night and dropped a pound or so off the SA pull.

From the production class rules

16.1 Modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably required in order to fit replacement OFM parts or components), are prohibited. Other prohibited modifications include those which facilitate faster reloading (e.g. flared, enlarged and/or add-on magwells, etc.), changing the original color and/or finish of a handgun, and/or adding stripes, stippling or other embellishments.

Polishing the trigger bar is removing burrs.

So you are claiming your polishing the trigger bar was unavoidably required to fit a replacement OFM part or component?

Your gun is not production legal any more.

If you don't believe me (or can't understand the rule book), read this from the IPSC discussion forums:

http://ipsc.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=17269

So the minor detailing he's done to his original ofm parts which I assume are still fitted to the gun is illegal? Good luck with that. Stugs right, at worst he can argue he's removed the burrs which falls well within the rules.

All in all, a really good reason to shoot Open!

Originally Posted by R93

Stuff production. You paint a bit of your gun a different colour and your out��
Some really dumb rules those Canadians come up with.

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That's why standard is good, it's perfectly legal to add racing stripes to your gun to make it go faster.

Also good triggers and stuff.

Originally Posted by Ozzy

That's why standard is good, it's perfectly legal to add racing stripes to your gun to make it go faster.

Also good triggers and stuff.

Yup. Shooting standard now and will never look back. Enjoy the smaller fields at shoots.
Quicker moving thru stages and not standing around as much.
I also like seeing some shooters shoot heavy calibers as fast and accurate as the mouse gun people.😆

(Although I have to admit I wouldn't mind owning a shadow 2)



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Originally Posted by Towely

So the minor detailing he's done to his original ofm parts which I assume are still fitted to the gun is illegal? Good luck with that. Stugs right, at worst he can argue he's removed the burrs which falls well within the rules.

Did you read the topic I linked to in post 7?

Obviously not because if you had, you would have read the words straight from the horse's mouth (Vince Pinto, the guy who quite literally writes the rulebook) saying it is not allowed.

What IROA course did you do?

The links dead.

And as long as stug hasn't gone too over board on the polishing then I think the magical word here is "de burring"

Mine got a similar working over by chris gee and the trigger pull between stock standard and mine is night and day. All offered as part of his tuning service within the rules I was assured.

Not that I'm worried, productions gay anyway.

Originally Posted by Towely

The links dead.

And as long as stug hasn't gone too over board on the polishing then I think the magical word here is "de burring"

Mine got a similar working over by chris gee and the trigger pull between stock standard and mine is night and day. All offered as part of his tuning service within the rules I was assured.

Not that I'm worried, productions gay anyway.

Here's the relevant part of the post in the link:

"You're entitled to replace parts, and to do minor detailing unavoidably necessary in order to fit them, but wholesale grinding, polishing and so on is taking matters way too far."

Vince Pinto
IPSC Handgun Rules Director
02 February 2014

If you ever shoot production at a Level III or IV match, don't forget to mention at equipment check that Chris gave your trigger a polishing. See where that gets you with the CRO and match director.

You could also do an IROA course so you have a better knowledge of the actual rules than "I think".

I still read it as the removal of burrs is fine and/or anything unavoidable to make the part fit is fine. So do you take the written rule 16.1 as the guide line for a match or vince's interpretation of the written rule as the guide line?

So what's classed as de burring? Because you can still do that even if parts fit it would seem.