Thread: Tigr 7,62x54R rifles

Guys, when we get around the illegal US sanctions we'll have it here. No end of trouble getting shipper to cart the DG. Strange though, if it is a US company getting it - no problem!

Originally Posted by KalashnikovNZ

Guys, when we get around the illegal US sanctions we'll have it here. No end of trouble getting shipper to cart the DG. Strange though, if it is a US company getting it - no problem!

Given that NZ has a free trade agreement with Russia and the USA sanctions have actually increased our trade with Russia it's strange your having issues for rifles

Originally Posted by res

Given that NZ has a free trade agreement with Russia and the USA sanctions have actually increased our trade with Russia it's strange your having issues for rifles

"Free Trade Agreement" is a term which means - US companies can sell what they like and US goverment can control what they accept. Free trade, is another throwaway phrase to distract the sheepeople. The reality is that the current [soon to be replaced] Reserve Currency is the US dollar and US banks act as Intermediary Banks in money transfers between countries. With illegal sanctions applied to Russian companies and individulas, money cannot be transfered for goods and services to those Russian companies and persons. Countries under US domination - like Panama, have seized shipments from Russia when entering their ports or jurisdiction. The market is played with loaded dice.

Originally Posted by KalashnikovNZ

"Free Trade Agreement" is a term which means - US companies can sell what they like and US goverment can control what they accept. Free trade, is another throwaway phrase to distract the sheepeople. The reality is that the current [soon to be replaced] Reserve Currency is the US dollar and US banks act as Intermediary Banks in money transfers between countries. With illegal sanctions applied to Russian companies and individulas, money cannot be transfered for goods and services to those Russian companies and persons. Countries under US domination - like Panama, have seized shipments from Russia when entering their ports or jurisdiction. The market is played with loaded dice.

What does the USA have to do with this? They are not involved in the NZ-Russia fta, or several others that NZ has in place.

Sounds like a stupid ideological rant to me

So why is it that Gun City can sell a Tigr with the same device attached to the muzzle as A cat. When I inquired with them, I was told it was a muzzle brake and not a problem. Why is their situation different to yours? I already have a Tigr in 308 and would seriously consider a long barrel 54R, but only in semi auto.

Originally Posted by res

What does the USA have to do with this? They are not involved in the NZ-Russia fta, or several others that NZ has in place.

Sounds like a stupid ideological rant to me

Read the post - nothing political - just facts. US currency is the Reserve Currency and US banks control the flow of it through Intermediary Banks in the US. As the US has posted unlawful scanctions on Russia and Russian citizens, US Banks deny transfer of money to them. Without the flow of currency, there is no trade.

As for controlling others - we have documents which clearly show that a foreign nation unlawfully detained thre containers of product from Russia and would not let it be transfered, because of US sanctions.

So explain how a FTA with Russia benefits NZ when the US impose their own rules?

Care to define the difference between a muzzle brake and a flash hider? As far as my understanding goes, a flash hider has horizontal slots and a muzzle brake has vertical slots. That is how it was explained to me by an arms officer, which clearly makes this a hider, not a brake.

Originally Posted by peril 787b

Care to define the difference between a muzzle brake and a flash hider? As far as my understanding goes, a flash hider has horizontal slots and a muzzle brake has vertical slots. That is how it was explained to me by an arms officer, which clearly makes this a hider, not a brake.

The rule is stupid anyway. It was a miss-conceived idea by someone who has no idea about firearms. A flash suppressor is not designed to hide the flash from the enemy but stop you being blinded by the flash on firing. They generally have slots all the way around and in some cases none facing up (to avoid hot gas entering the sight picture. If the slots face upward and sideways to reduce muzzle climb (as a muzzle break) it will have the opposite effect by making the flash more visible to the shooter. If you look on the Kalashnikov Group web page you will see what I mean. The muzzle attachment doesn't look like a flash hider to me.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

The rule is stupid anyway. It was a miss-conceived idea by someone who has no idea about firearms. A flash suppressor is not designed to hide the flash from the enemy but stop you being blinded by the flash on firing.

I thought it was designed to look scary and intimidating, just like pistol grips are.

Look at the first really recognised use of a Flash Eliminator – one on the .303 No. 5 [Jungle Carbine, as it is often called]. It is a solid cone and deflects the flash away from the shooter. It is not a flash hider!

Muzzle breaks have all manner of holes and slots – many actually divert the flash back toward the shooter.

I test fired a selection of firearms in Russia and one of them , a VEPR had a new muzzle break on it – I had been shooting without ear protection and finding the report quite acceptable [have gunner’s ear from my military days anyway] but when I fired the VEPR, it was like getting hit by Henry Cooper in the left ear-hole! The muzzle break on the VEPR directed a huge amount of the report back at the shooter.

Anyway, it was a stupid rule, thought up by simple people to try to limit access to military firearms in the mistaken belief that somehow, military firearms will kill more people than sporting firearms. They miss the whole concept that people kill people, not the firearm. Same rationale as the stupid reporters who go nuts over how many firearms a person has in a cache – “He has over 30 firearms hoarded in his house!”. So!?? How many can he fire at a time? It maybe a different matter if he handed out 30 firearms to some gang and they all shot as some small militia. But sadly, I know of no way that one trigger finger can fire 30 firearms – I’m working on it though.

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