Thread: E-CAT Endorsement Requirements

Never mind just plain following you home from the range

The only sure fire way to not be targeted for owning firearms is to not own firearms. If you ever go to a gun shop, do you park 3 blocks away from it and walk round in circles a few times to make sure you aren't being followed?

Originally Posted by Beavis

The only sure fire way to not be targeted for owning firearms is to not own firearms. If you ever go to a gun shop, do you park 3 blocks away from it and walk round in circles a few times to make sure you aren't being followed?

No, but I don't have my car or motorbike registered to my home address and the gun shop doesn't have my home address either.

And my arms officer puts my delivery or PO Box address on all permits, not my home address where anything is stored.

Originally Posted by systolic

No, but I don't have my car or motorbike registered to my home address and the gun shop doesn't have my home address either.

And my arms officer puts my delivery or PO Box address on all permits, not my home address where anything is stored.

If your gun shop doesn't record your address when you purchase a firearm, they are in breach of the law. Reference: Regulation 7(4)(c) Arms Regulations 1992

Originally Posted by Koshogi

If your gun shop doesn't record your address when you purchase a firearm, they are in breach of the law. Reference: Regulation 7(4)(c) Arms Regulations 1992

They record an address, but it's never been my home address. How would they ever know anyway?

They simply write down what I tell them.

Originally Posted by systolic

They record an address, but it's never been my home address. How would they ever know anyway?

They simply write down what I tell them.

So your admitting to lying? "Fit and proper person"?

Originally Posted by Koshogi

So your admitting to lying? "Fit and proper person"?

Where in the regulations does it say home address or the address where the guns are stored?

I have a contact address that is recorded. The same one my arms officer uses for my permits. He knows its not my home address. And he knows it's used for security of my guns.

Originally Posted by systolic

Why would you trust a dealer to keep your information safe? Why would you get any gun related items, let alone guns, ever sent to your home? You are mad.

I hope so, they are fit a proper people after all,

Originally Posted by systolic

The wankers at gun city sold a guy with only an A licence 50 Ruger 10/22s, 50 pistol grip stocks, big magazines and lasers for cash.

my mum can buy these parts legally without a FAL, its not illegal to buy the parts, its what you do with them

Originally Posted by systolic

Do you think none of the staff of a gun shop would ever 'share' a copy of the dealers book if offered enough money?

I hope not, they are fit and proper... but some people have a price, does your A.O.? he might? paranoid much?

Originally Posted by systolic

How about the guy who worked at Carvell's up in Auckland. The dodgy old prick had a firearms licence in a false name and worked there for years and the owner never even knew his real name until he was arrested and deported!

improper checks, happens in all jobs.

Originally Posted by systolic

Most gun salesmen are on the same level as used car salesmen. Only interested in money. I wouldn't trust any as far as I could throw them.

its there job... its how they get paid.

Seriously, where do you buy your guns/parts? you sound so fucken paranoid,
do you sleep with a loaded gun under your pillow? JUST IN CASE?!

you sound more dodgy than the people you claim to worry about...
your the one looking for peoples details,

Originally Posted by systolic

I sold an old Swazi jacket to a guy a year or two ago on Trademe. Posted it to his home address. Google showed the address was a residential house with a trampoline in the back yard.

A look through his feedback showed him buying and selling rifles and all kinds of related items, including lots of AR15 parts. I recognized his Trademe name as very similar to his user name on a firearms forum (not this one) and saw he was a B and E licence holder and looking to get his C as well.

In a few minutes, I had his name and address and even photos of some of his E cat guns. He was selling a motorbike on Trademe which gave me his mobile number as well. In the background of the motorbike photos was the trampoline, confirming where he lived.

Originally Posted by Glycerine

I hope so, they are fit a proper people after all,



my mum can buy these parts legally without a FAL, its not illegal to buy the parts, its what you do with them



I hope not, they are fit and proper... but some people have a price, does your A.O.? he might? paranoid much?



improper checks, happens in all jobs.



its there job... its how they get paid.

Seriously, where do you buy your guns/parts? you sound so fucken paranoid,
do you sleep with a loaded gun under your pillow? JUST IN CASE?!

you sound more dodgy than the people you claim to worry about...
your the one looking for peoples details,

To prove you are 'fit and proper' all you have to do is show you don't beat your wife or get too drunk too often. And a couple of people to say to the cops that you don't.

Your mum can buy 50 rifles, pistol grips stocks, silencers, lasers and 20 shotguns without a licence, really? She could supply the Head Hunters too.

I buy my guns, ammo and parts all over the place. Gunshops, Trademe, Carvell's and Rodgers' auctions. I import parts and accessories from overseas as well.

I just never get anything delivered to my home address to make it harder for criminals to rob my house.

Not paranoid, just careful.

I don't want to end up like that collector in Dargaville in May or the one in Dunedin in October.

But some people are stupid enough to put enough information on the internet to make it easy for robbers to target them. Like the guy I sold the Swazi to.

There was two separate guys bidding on a 20 round AR15 magazine on Trademe yesterday (the auction has been taken down now). One in Wellington, the other in Whakatane.

Going through both their feedback pages you could see all the gun stuff they had both been buying. It was clear both owned a few guns, including AR15s and SLRs.

Both of them were selling cars and had their names and phone numbers in the listings. Any robber only has to ring up and say "Hey Vince, nice Holden. Where do I come for a look? and they have the address where there are guns kept.

Vince and Mark are fucking stupid for putting that kind of information online for any cunt to see with a few clicks of a mouse.

The cops have my real address if they need it. Anyone else can get fucked.

Originally Posted by systolic

To prove you are 'fit and proper' all you have to do is show you don't beat your wife or get too drunk too often. And a couple of people to say to the cops that you don't.

yeah you had the same check... how do we know your more fit and proper than anyone else?

Originally Posted by systolic

Your mum can buy 50 rifles, pistol grips stocks, silencers, lasers and 20 shotguns without a licence, really? She could supply the Head Hunters too.

i said "parts" didnt say guns, anyone can buy scopes, lasers, stocks, barrels etc.

there not doing anything illegal buying parts, like i said.. its what you do with them.

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

Perhaps Vince and Mark might be smart enough to say "ok dude, catch you up outside the police station and you can check out my car there"(or some other neutral place) and go from there.
Systolic, have you by any chance posted in the "whats everyone do for a crust" thread? I would quite like to know a bit about your background.

So............., in a discussion about what I do, or don't do, to keep my address secret and stuff secure, you want me to tell you about my background?

How does "Not Fucking Likely!" sound?

systolic is a low tier journo bouncing around the forum stirring shit so further down the track juicy screenshots can be clipped out for a scathing hit piece on why guns are the tools of satan himself, calling it now.

Originally Posted by systolic

So............., in a discussion about what I do, or don't do, to keep my address secret and stuff secure, you want me to tell you about my background?

How does "Not Fucking Likely!" sound?

Paranoid Personality Disorder. Makes for some interesting reading.

Paranoid Personality Disorder Symptoms | Psych Central

Originally Posted by AzumitH

systolic is a low tier journo bouncing around the forum stirring shit so further down the track juicy screenshots can be clipped out for a scathing hit piece on why guns are the tools of satan himself, calling it now.

No.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Paranoid Personality Disorder. Makes for some interesting reading.

Paranoid Personality Disorder Symptoms | Psych Central

My therapist says I'm paranoid. Well he didn't actually say that, I but I know he was thinking it.