Thread: 300 Rum Brass Cases

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Yea i get that but then stated that this is how its done nothing more nothin less

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I did say few mods......never said what

Trying to put words in my mouth?

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

People other than enthusiasts read these threads.

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And? i never said for people to add powder to get safe............anyone with brains would know not to take a load of the internet........was putting the facts there
Now on i should follow others like sheep an post x speed for x chambering
So heres one 17 fireball poking a 200gr at 3200 its ok tho its nice hard brass

Oh Fuck it i can't work out how to put multiple quotes in.

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Cam. I think a bit of deep throat will explain it for ya.

Or read the first few sentences of this link.

338 Edge + P now available from Defensive Edge - Long Range Hunting Online Magazine

Originally Posted by Normie

Cam. I think a bit of deep throat will explain it for ya.

Or read the first few sentences of this link.

338 Edge + P now available from Defensive Edge - Long Range Hunting Online Magazine

Or more specifically

Firearm Throat and Rifling Method - Patent application

I wonder why he calls it a plus 'P' I reckon Cam knows more about this than he is letting on

So if you are not getting deformation to hard brass, you are not getting deformation to the action...whats the problem? Why the issue with quality brass not showing signs of pressure/deformation?

Originally Posted by Sidney

So if you are not getting deformation to hard brass, you are not getting deformation to the action...whats the problem? Why the issue with quality brass not showing signs of pressure/deformation?

Is this not hiding it?

Of course... but everyone talks about pressure when surely all that this is, is the cause of what we are trying to avoid... deformation. Tussocks point is valid its pressure/time = force which causes deformation which is what we are trying to avoid.

Pressure in itself is only a component of the destructive force that we are trying to avoid... it would seem not sufficient to just be talking about pressure, particularly as we cannot reliably quantify it, and we do not know the strength of every firearm/action/brass being used and we have little idea over what time that the pressure is being applied...

No deformation = no issue yes? I do acknowledge that the harder/better quality brass tends to be less progressive in showing deformation..... its good, its good, its good/its really bad ... and this is an issue..

Yeah its hiding it to a degree. But if you change to harder brass and pressure signs are not appsrant I would say you would be a mile of reaching pressure that could damage yout action.

Brass fails over time right? Say 5-10 loadings. Would a action fail over time?

And ALLLLL this shit is what Roy Weatherby learnt yonks ago leading him to spec those long throats on his high pressure weatherby chamberings

Those same long throats that are considered a "problem" by lots of shooters because they cant load projectiles to "just touch" the lands so have terrible accuracy (there are a shitload of take off weatherby mk5 barrels floating around) (there are also plenty of people who cant shoot a .308 accurately let alone a .30-378) (there are also plenty of rifles which shoot MINT with long throats and massive jumps).

And now its all "new" and "secret squirrel" because blah blah blah

Yawn

Yep so Carlock is trying to deal with both issues, and good on him...

What pees me off is the patent bullshit. There is nothing particularly ground breaking with Carlock's design, and sure he has spent money and time getting to whatever place, but the guy if he has his way, he will lock up the basic idea so that he is the only one to profit by it. That always does the wider community a disservice...

The vast majority are not going to buy his technology off him, he has no way of meeting the demand if its ground-breaking, and the pattern of behaviour for those holding valuable technology is to sit still, over-price the idea, do no development and nothing happens under the protection comes off...

He is better off to build brand identity into the idea and run as fast as he can with it... the wider community benefit and he remains an ideas man rather than just milking the cow for as much as its worth..

In our world I think the patent approach is gutless... as well as being really expensive...

And to be honest there is no way he can protect the idea, its not that original....

Show me these Mk 5 barrels I could do with a few!

If you can patent/trademark the WSM you can do what he has done. Would be reasonably easy to get around. He seems to use two/three steps in his throat. Use less or a gradual angle should get around it. Kirby Allen investigated a similar throat design but found it wore out too quickly.

True... but he can't protect it... if I wanted a Blaser Mag/Dakota reamer I could get it any day of the week. Waste of money to patent it. Have a look around to see how many Dakota propriotery calibre's are in use... In fact the Blaser is just a knock off on the Dakota anyway..

Trademark, brand identity is the only realistic way to go.. make sure you are the first thought in peoples head by identifying the product with yourself..
...Should call it the Carlock Imp. Chamber or something...

You also have to wonder what he is trying to protect... its not a cartridge he has developed.... how does he even effectively generate income from the idea other than by rebarrelling or building rifles...

Is that even worth the cost of patent... its probably not worth the cost of trying to defend the patent..

Maybe I'm super smart or something but you need to read the patent and drawings again.... This applies to 99% of you all LOL
I had t read it as I didn't know it existed till it was posted but my 'theory' was confirmed in writing
I do struggle to see how you could patent it though...