Thread: 7mm ss cs 7mm saum vs 7mmsst

Originally Posted by SixtyTen

Its a Niko Stirling 4-16 FFP Mrad. They are amazing for the money, but obviously scopes that are twice the price are going to be better. I have 3 of them now on various rifles and have been using them for 3 or 4 years with zero issues. They all track properly and do what they should. The only real downside to them is the weight (30mm tube = around 620g) FOV @ 16 power is not the greatest, but I prefer 44mm bells to 50mm.

It wasn't my first choice for this rifle, I just happened to have it in the drawer. I have not decided on the final scope for this rifle. Maybe a Vx3 4.5-14 CDS, but I would prefer something 4-18 or 3-21 that is 600g or less. The Vx3 is nice because its so light.

Not a bad weight pretty average id have though the swaros are obviously really light and the vx5s maybe 550grams? Awsome il confuse him more with suggesting one the new vx3hd looks primo

Originally Posted by SixtyTen

Its a Niko Stirling 4-16 FFP Mrad. They are amazing for the money, but obviously scopes that are twice the price are going to be better. I have 3 of them now on various rifles and have been using them for 3 or 4 years with zero issues. They all track properly and do what they should. The only real downside to them is the weight (30mm tube = around 620g) FOV @ 16 power is not the greatest, but I prefer 44mm bells to 50mm.

It wasn't my first choice for this rifle, I just happened to have it in the drawer. I have not decided on the final scope for this rifle. Maybe a Vx3 4.5-14 CDS, but I would prefer something 4-18 or 3-21 that is 600g or less. The Vx3 is nice because its so light.

If you are thinking of the vx3 3.5-14 have a close look at eye relief I know 3 people that had them and sold them just as quick

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Id keep it somewhat simple with 7mm SAUM at 18" (or more). I wouldn't bother going shorter then that, there's just no need as 18" is plenty short enough. Even my 20" SAUM is a very short handy rifle once its combined with the short action just like Keltons above (but not quite as cool).

Probably going to go for a 16.5inch proof in 30cal, and run a 300saum as per Kelton advice. After playing with grt, I should get a 155g vld berger moving at around 2888fps with rl17 and a 16.5inch proof barrel, an 18inch for 30cal wild get it going roughly 2925. So not much gain for 1.5inch less length through the bush. I also prefer defiance actions. They feel great, and I wanted a short action, because I have a short action carbon stock sitting here with bottom metal and magazine to fit. And I already have 2x long action defiance.

never tried one in the higher power range but the older japanese made nikko stirling gold crown 3x9x40 had an amazing field of view..better than many lower powered and fixed power scopes

Just as a hint, I think nz Asia have a few kimber mountain ascent in 280ai.

And this morning I saw a Remington 7 in 7 saum, factory stainless fluted in a nice wooden stock at shooter ready in Cambridge.

Also, if buying a defiance , unless you go with their Anti action, why not going straight with their Remington 7 footprint instead of the Remington 700 sa footprint. That would make sense if your are not going to have any extended magazine.

Originally Posted by Friwi

Just as a hint, I think nz Asia have a few kimber mountain ascent in 280ai.

And this morning I saw a Remington 7 in 7 saum, factory stainless fluted in a nice wooden stock at shooter ready in Cambridge.

Also, if buying a defiance , unless you go with their Anti action, why not going straight with their Remington 7 footprint instead of the Remington 700 sa footprint. That would make sense if your are not going to have any extended magazine.

Hes already got the sa 700 stock defiance is no longer exporting so whats in the country is whats left in NZ most of which are ordered for customers wouldnt think theirs many as stock

Originally Posted by Kelton

Hes already got the sa 700 stock defiance is no longer exporting so whats in the country is whats left in NZ most of which are ordered for customers wouldnt think theirs many as stock

Correct, got 2 la defiance already would like somthing different. And have a Ken Henderson sa stock. So wanted to build a short action.

Originally Posted by Friwi

Just as a hint, I think nz Asia have a few kimber mountain ascent in 280ai.

And this morning I saw a Remington 7 in 7 saum, factory stainless fluted in a nice wooden stock at shooter ready in Cambridge.

Also, if buying a defiance , unless you go with their Anti action, why not going straight with their Remington 7 footprint instead of the Remington 700 sa footprint. That would make sense if your are not going to have any extended magazine.

Did you see a price??

If I were doing a short action 7mm it'd be a 7mm-6.5PRC.
Hornady and Lapua brass being the main reasons, just size up neck with a mandrel and away you go.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

If I were doing a short action 7mm it'd be a 7mm-6.5PRC.
Hornady and Lapua brass being the main reasons, just size up neck with a mandrel and away you go.

No offence, but what does that do that a.284 Win can't?

Originally Posted by Hurricane

No offence, but what does that do that a.284 Win can't?

The short action part

Originally Posted by Hurricane

No offence, but what does that do that a.284 Win can't?

All the short magnum 7mms are better suited for use in a short action due to the shorter case length.
In a long action they are good for an additional 150-200fps.

The 284win is a very good catridge, very efficient for the powder it burns but it doesn't keep up with the magnums (which burn 10gr more powder per shot).

Originally Posted by Beetroot

All the short magnum 7mms are better suited for use in a short action due to the shorter case length.
In a long action they are good for an additional 150-200fps.

The 284win is a very good catridge, very efficient for the powder it burns but it doesn't keep up with the magnums (which burn 10gr more powder per shot).

@Beetroot I run 62gns or powder surely the .284 is burning more than 52gns? @GWH was over 60gns with 162s from memory I suspect the 7-6.5prc is a wild cat formed from no more than lack of 7Saum brass in the USA

Originally Posted by Kelton

@Beetroot I run 62gns or powder surely the .284 is burning more than 52gns? @GWH was over 60gns with 162s from memory I suspect the 7-6.5prc is a wild cat formed from no more than lack of 7Saum brass in the USA

10gr +/-. Depending on what powder you are using the charge weight can vary a lot.
Powders like Superformance tend to fill a case more than the likes of 2209.