Welcome guest, is this your first visit? Create Account now to join.
  • Login:

Welcome to the NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed.

Night Vision NZ Terminator


User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 6 of 6 FirstFirst 123456
Results 76 to 90 of 90
Like Tree53Likes

Thread: Annealing questions

  1. #76
    ebf
    ebf is offline
    Mushroom juice ! Hic ! ebf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Above the Hutt
    Posts
    6,872
    Where do you get your tempilaq from Zimmer ?
    Viva la Howa ! R.I.P. Toby | Black rifles matter... | #illegitimate_ute

  2. #77
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    lower hutt
    Posts
    1,048
    You say there maybe inconsistency with no machine, most likely. but how long does it take for you to register the temilaq paint is up to temp and stop the timer?more to the point you need to know why case annealing is effective and in yoyr personal situation whether its beneficial to the reloading process yiu use. Can any of you tell what a work hardened case feels like going thru the die?

    ive annealed some 500 cases or more of various calibre and never had an issue with overheated brass, I have the tools although a crude method is the outlay of such machines worth the 5 % ( random figure) benefit in utmost consistency?... and as ebf pointed out unless each and every case is dimensionally the same then this might as well be a 308 vs 708 discussion

  3. #78
    Member zimmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    Waikato
    Posts
    4,986
    Quote Originally Posted by ebf View Post
    Where do you get your tempilaq from Zimmer ?
    Heh @ebf post #69 :-)

  4. #79
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    Auckland
    Posts
    52
    Quote Originally Posted by ebf View Post
    Breyt, I think you misunderstand what I said. Each case IS slightly different - so having a consistent amount of time in the flame is exactly what I do not like about machines... Let's face it, brass cases are extruded from material that is not exactly consistent.

    If you have a bunch of cases that have all been neck turned extremely carefully, a machine may well get reasonably close. Take those same cases on a different day and run the machine with the same settings and you could be cooking your brass... So to be safe, each time you use the machine you need to tune the timing cycle using tempilaq or something similar.
    i have to disagree with your statement! Doing it by hand has a far beter change cooking your cases than a machine. Its like building a car by hand it takes ages and you make far more mistakes that the machine ever can unless your set up was wrong; You don't need any skills to set up Auto annealing Machine

  5. #80
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    Auckland
    Posts
    52
    Quote Originally Posted by ebf View Post
    Hamish, extended brass life is a side-benefit for me. The primary reason I do it is to get consistent neck tension. But I shoot a LOT and get thru my brass reasonably quickly. After about 4-5 firings I can start to feel a difference in the force required to seat projectiles. It's a bit hard to explain, but I do seating by feel - my brass is extremely carefully turned and prepped. K&N make a great little arbor press with a force gauge on it - very high on my wish list. That would be a lot more scientific way of measuring when the necks become case hardened.
    If you need constant accuracy you need to anneal those cases every 1-2 shots
    steven likes this.

  6. #81
    Caretaker
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Hawkes Bay
    Posts
    9,265

    Annealing questions

    I anneal after every firing, then go harvest deer.

    GWH and Breyt like this.
    A big fast bullet beats a little fast bullet every time

  7. #82
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    Auckland
    Posts
    52
    Quote Originally Posted by HNTMAD View Post
    But really how much xtra life are you getting?? Say a bag of brass costs lets say $200 for 100 rnds, therefore $2 each and after using them 10 times without annealing that works out to 20cents, is that such a bad thing. Seams a whole lot if work for little fain.

    Ok so I can see the target shooters rolling their eyes already, but I am a hunter and max distance for me is 500-600m, it's s whole lot of time and pain that could be better used filling the freezer. Which is full BTW

    Just my 10cents

    Sent from my E5823 using Tapatalk
    Good point but for target shooters they want to hit the bull every time which is much smaller that the kill zone on deer.
    Normally cases will last about 10 shots maybe more before they start splitting.
    annealing your cases regularly will make them last about 30 shots each so if you make that same calculation its a totally different story

  8. #83
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2014
    Location
    Auckland
    Posts
    52
    Guys all i'm trying to say is by annealing your cases more regularly is not a bad thing does not matter what your application is or how you do it.

    ebf if you are interested i want to send you my Demo model to use next time you do annealing and give us feed back (You cant keep it you have to send it back when you are finished )

  9. #84
    Member HNTMAD's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Wairarapa
    Posts
    2,833
    Quote Originally Posted by 7mmsaum View Post
    I anneal after every firing, then go harvest deer.

    Maybe i need to start annealing then lol

    Hamish
    Hamish
    027 5422 985
    www.hgd.co.nz

  10. #85
    Sending it Gibo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    The Hill
    Posts
    23,480
    Quote Originally Posted by R93 View Post
    Youre right. Best results you size after annealing.

    Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
    So do I need to FL size after annealing or can I just neck size?

  11. #86
    Almost literate. veitnamcam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Nelson
    Posts
    24,972
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibo View Post
    So do I need to FL size after annealing or can I just neck size?
    Just neck unless you needed to bump the shoulder anyway.
    "Hunting and fishing" fucking over licenced firearms owners since ages ago.

    308Win One chambering to rule them all.

  12. #87
    Sending it Gibo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    The Hill
    Posts
    23,480
    Quote Originally Posted by veitnamcam View Post
    Just neck unless you needed to bump the shoulder anyway.
    Nah will neck cheers mate. Checked in chamber so was going to go ahead and neck em

  13. #88
    R93
    R93 is offline
    Member R93's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Westland NZ
    Posts
    16,102
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibo View Post
    So do I need to FL size after annealing or can I just neck size?
    If they chamber easily I just neck size.
    If they don't I bump the shoulder a smidge until they do.
    Normally only have to bump them around the 5th firing and then they need the body die a few firings after that.

    Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
    Gibo likes this.
    Do what ya want! Ya will anyway.

  14. #89
    Member Dead is better's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Auckland
    Posts
    977
    I only bother annealing after 3rd firing. They 'feel' pretty similar when seating projectiles within that cycle so why bother doing it every time?

 

 

Similar Threads

  1. Annealing machines?
    By kimjon in forum Reloading and Ballistics
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: 28-04-2015, 01:02 PM
  2. Annealing Scenars
    By Beavis in forum Reloading and Ballistics
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 20-05-2014, 06:06 PM
  3. annealing cases
    By longrange308 in forum Reloading and Ballistics
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 19-05-2014, 09:39 PM
  4. Annealing machine
    By R93 in forum Reloading and Ballistics
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 14-12-2012, 07:50 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Welcome to NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums! We see you're new here, or arn't logged in. Create an account, and Login for full access including our FREE BUY and SELL section Register NOW!!