Thread: Component shortage

Originally Posted by Beetroot

I don't get why they are making it 80kph.
The road from Tokoroa to Turangi is an excellent road, had heaps of work done to it over the years.
Other than the very narrow section after Taupo there is no reason for that road not to be 100kph.

This country is going to shit slowly but surely.

The cambers and road layout between SH1 you mention might be correct, but the surface is far substandard and thats coming as a truckie doing up to 40 runs a week on that section of road
SH3 down to the Naki is the same its rattle shake bang and roll.
the pressure waves are the worst, potholes filled with hot or cold mix so they blend in the dark/shadows and when hit they will just heave a 50ton unit over the road.
some of the are so bad we P1 message them

Snap!, lack of maintenance.

We'd all like more maintenance on our roads.

How would you like to fund that?
Increased fuel taxes and increased RUC?
Increased PAYE or increased property rates?
@striker's comments suggest that the damage is caused by heavier vehicle traffic. Should they pay higher RUC which will be passed onto consumers?

Remember EVs aren't paying RUC (at present) and don't pay fuel taxes.

We're often quick to identify the problem, slower to help fund the cure.

Its not the pavement thats the problem. Its gonna fail sure as night follows day, cause the road transport lobby got govt to permit trucks to go to 55Tonne, instead of remain at 44 tonne.

Our roading design post WWII has never factored in 55 tonne combined weights. So the sub base, base course and top course are not suficiently strong enough to resist deformation from those heavy axles being passed down through the pavement.

They closed the Desert road a year ago during the nights, to apply magic asphaltic concrete pavements, but did bugger all to the undedrlying base course: result, fucked sections of new pavement in under six months. Roads weeping water cause they never addressed the base issue. Old roading engineers maxum "Dirt plus water = mud".

One 'H' rated truck and trailer does as much damage as 8000 passes of a 1500kg car. And thats only to the pavement. cars don't have any meaningful impact on Basecourse structures. Trucks do.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

We'd all like more maintenance on our roads.

How would you like to fund that?
Increased fuel taxes and increased RUC?
Increased PAYE or increased property rates?
@striker's comments suggest that the damage is caused by heavier vehicle traffic. Should they pay higher RUC which will be passed onto consumers?

Remember EVs aren't paying RUC (at present) and don't pay fuel taxes.

We're often quick to identify the problem, slower to help fund the cure.

the heavier units do less damage, higher productivity for less trips, more axles at the same or lower weigh per axle that a 46ton general access truck weighs. and we pay thru the nose for it too.
you really need to follow the funding, and where it ends up, the current cost of RUC and fuel excise is more than enough to fund world class roads.
especially when it goes in to the national land transport fund and pays for competing rail, cycle ways at say 1mil per km, the new ferries come under too so Im told as they are considered SH1
https://www.nzta.govt.nz/planning-an...bout-the-nltp/

Originally Posted by XR500

Its not the pavement thats the problem. Its gonna fail sure as night follows day, cause the road transport lobby got govt to permit trucks to go to 55Tonne, instead of remain at 44 tonne.

Our roading design post WWII has never factored in 55 tonne combined weights. So the sub base, base course and top course are not suficiently strong enough to resist deformation from those heavy axles being passed down through the pavement.

They closed the Desert road a year ago during the nights, to apply magic asphaltic concrete pavements, but did bugger all to the undedrlying base course: result, fucked sections of new pavement in under six months. Roads weeping water cause they never addressed the base issue. Old roading engineers maxum "Dirt plus water = mud".

One 'H' rated truck and trailer does as much damage as 8000 passes of a 1500kg car. And thats only to the pavement. cars don't have any meaningful impact on Basecourse structures. Trucks do.

Might as well get used to it, there is less and less drivers coming thru the system, long hours, shit pay, lack of appreciation are all things turning guys and gals away from the industry.
I was talking to one of the nzta hpmv engineers at fielddays and they are/were processing permits to run up to 25m long and 72ton

Originally Posted by striker

the heavier units do less damage, higher productivity for less trips, more axles at the same or lower weigh per axle that a 46ton general access truck weighs. and we pay thru the nose for it too.
you really need to follow the funding, and where it ends up, the current cost of RUC and fuel excise is more than enough to fund world class roads.
especially when it goes in to the national land transport fund and pays for competing rail, cycle ways at say 1mil per km, the new ferries come under too so Im told as they are considered SH1
https://www.nzta.govt.nz/planning-an...bout-the-nltp/

I do know where the funding is from and where it goes.
I'm an elected councilor and have served on our Regional Land Transport Committee.

I can show you roads that deteriorate daily during the dairy season due to HPV milk tankers that don't get worse through the winter.
HPV heavy transport vehicles are visibly damaging roads that were never built for them, but have been approved for them.

I disagree that the rate of fuel excise and RUC is enough to fund our roading network. It isn't and it is reducing in proportion to the costs.

I know what it costs our council to fund our share of our local roading costs.
As a council we put in extra ratepayer funds above what receive a FAR rate for from Waka Kotahi (NZTA) to try to keep up with the maintenance.


More funding is required. Where should it come from?
General taxation, paye & business taxes, ratepayers or increased RUC?

Originally Posted by Cyclops

I do know where the funding is from and where it goes.
I'm an elected councilor and have served on our Regional Land Transport Committee.

I can show you roads that deteriorate daily during the dairy season due to HPV milk tankers that don't get worse through the winter.
HPV heavy transport vehicles are visibly damaging roads that were never built for them, but have been approved for them.

I disagree that the rate of fuel excise and RUC is enough to fund our roading network. It isn't and it is reducing in proportion to the costs.

I know what it costs our council to fund our share of our local roading costs.
As a council we put in extra ratepayer funds above what receive a FAR rate for from Waka Kotahi (NZTA) to try to keep up with the maintenance.


More funding is required. Where should it come from?
General taxation, paye & business taxes, ratepayers or increased RUC?

Simple solutions:
#1 tax us more, via any taxation method, general pop whinges moans about cost when it gets passed on, and it will be passed on.

#2 we all go back to the so called magical 44 ton, more truck trips for less productivity, more emissions, we pay less RUC (win for truckies) and the gen pop then complains about how many more trucks are on the road than before to do the same job,
gen pop then complains how long it takes to get something delivered as lack of capacity and lack of drivers to do the job
Overnight delivery, Good luck try next week or month.

Was hunting the Kaimanawas last week. Looking down on the Desert road at 11pm: a solid line of Heavy good vehicles sidelights going north AND south. Solution: rail. And get used to stuff turning up in a few days, not overnight. Plan for it and its not an imposition.

And in other news there's a component shortage. Head on over to the off topic section lads

Originally Posted by charliehorse

And in other news there's a component shortage. Head on over to the off topic section lads

I know and I has just done the unthinkable..............brought a 308, so at least I can keep shooting at reasonable cost until all my 6.5 projectiles on order arrive.

Thinking about doing the same thing @mikee. Sell the 7mm08 and go back to a 308 alot more factory ammo on the shelf.
Am actually surprised there aren't a lot more guns for sale due to lack of ammo and reloading components

Originally Posted by Got-ya

Snap!, lack of maintenance.

Our roads are built poorly from the begining, lack of maintenance isn't the problem.

When the Waikato expressway between Hampton downs and Te Kauwhata was in construction they opened up a newly completed section to traffic to start working on the other side, literally the first day it was opened pot holes occured everywhere (passed 3 cars that where changing tyres) and a whole big enough to swallow a car popped up.
I've seen countless road work sights that haven't even been sealed yet where potholes are popping up, even when the public isn't allowed to drive on it.

I've seen first hand a council project that blew the budget massively due to the incompetence of consultants they paid to do their job and there be absolutely no re-course for those people and a massive cost to the rate payer.

Like everything we plebs pay through the nose for everything, get a crap product or service, and have to be thankful for the experience.

Originally Posted by caberslash

Funny how brass has not seen a huge hike, as it's the most expensive component to manufacture yet also reusable.

Reckon most of the inflation is due to opportunistic hoarders/scalpers who have no intention of using it themselves.

Hope they get burned!

Sitting in their cellars waiting for the apocalypse, they'll not feel burned for a long time.

Originally Posted by mikee

I know and I has just done the unthinkable..............brought a 308, so at least I can keep shooting at reasonable cost until all my 6.5 projectiles on order arrive.

Well done @mikee,
I already had a .308 (actually 4 if you count a couple of old target rifles). My current stocks of projectiles for my 6.5 are meagre but plentiful for the .308. Ditto powder. We should all own at least one .308 although I suppose a .30-06 would do in a pinch. Easy to load and shoots almost any projectile well. In case you are wondering my 4 are staying exactly where they are.
Regards Grandpamac.