Thread: Demise of the 7mm Rem Mag

Originally Posted by Southerner223

Shooting the 162s over 2900fps from a slightly shorter than factory barrel. Plenty of spice, heck 3000 fps with something heavier would kick more than a rodeo bronc

OK.
The 30-06 can do that with a slightly fatter bullet of the same weight …
So, is the RemMag a choked up, medium powered trajectory toy like the 6.5 Creedmore ?
Rather than a big stick deer killing machine ?

Originally Posted by Southerner223

Shooting the 162s over 2900fps from a slightly shorter than factory barrel. Plenty of spice …

OK.
The 30-06 can do that with a slightly fatter bullet of the same weight …
So, is the RemMag a choked up, medium powered trajectory toy like the 6.5 Creedmore ?
Rather than a big stick deer killing machine ?

Owwwwwww pretty!

Originally Posted by McNotty

After reading through Duleys latest three articles on 7 PRC, and once Tikka, Sako etc bring out this caliber in factory offering, would anyone bother with the rem mag anymore? No belt, no more over crowding of case capacity with deep seated projectiles to fit magazines, decent twist rate, good speeds in a shorter 20” barrel, chuck out a 190 grainer doing 3000 fps+ in a longer barrel etc

Thoughts?

Greetings @McNotty,
All that you say is true and they are my sentiments exactly. Not everyone buys a rifle based on a clear assessment of its attributes though and the 7mm Rem Mag does have name recognition and a 60 plus year head start. The .308 is surely a better cartridge for most than the .303, more so when you consider the rifles. The .308 precedes the 7mm RM but has it wiped out all the .303 rifles? Regarding the VW Holden comparison at least VW still manufactures cars while Holden is gone forever.
Regards Grandpamac.

Stop with the headstamps.

180 ELD-M smashed the gates down a while ago, but few had rifles with enough twist in the tube to take advantage.

If you build out a 24" 7mm08 with a 3" mag box, it'll make 2600 with the 180ELDM and a case full of the right powder (Superformance, Staball 6.5 or RL-16).

The big magnums ( 7RM, 7PRC, 28 Nosler, 7mm Remington Ultra Mag) with 26" tubes will need anywhere between 20-30 grains more of the precious powder (which Hornady themselves admit to having a hard time finding) to break the 3,000 fps mark with the same bullet.

Unless you are shooting past 1.5km at sea level on the regular, you don't need a rifle-bullet combo that aggressive to stay above transonic.

Biggest advantage of the 7PRC is factory ammo with decent bullets. But they could have played smart and done a 7mm Creedmoor or 6.5-7PRCW as a factory offering... the latter is seeing a lot of attention in F-open

Time will tell. The wsm's were meant to end the old magnums. they didnt. In fact id say the PRC's will end the wsm's before they do the Old mags. I personally didnt overly like the 7mm rem mag when I had one. mainly feed issue based in the rifle I had. But it worked. It was never super popular unless you were after something a little extra.
I mean if I had to pick up either a 223 or a 7mm Mg, it would be the 7mm everyday.

Ive seen a couple of people lately who bought the PRC and did the choppy choppy thing and ended up disappointed with a powder burning 7x57.

Its going to depend on if you reload or not to get the best out of these things.

To answer the OPs question, no I don't think so.

Greetings,
To quote the words of Mark Twain I think it was:
"News of my death has been greatly exaggerated"
Foretelling the death of a cartridge still being chambered by most is premature ant least and likely foolhardy. Many have forecast the immediate death of cartridges due to some perceived, fault often promoting their favoured alternative, only be ignored by the vast majority of the rifle buying public. As has been said before the purchase of a new rifle is often not a venture where cool headed reason prevails.
Regards Grandpamac.

The .222 magnum is really about the only cartridge that pops to mind as having once been king of the hill and now just about unheard of. Yet folks took it,necked down to make 204 Ruger... And then neck said 204ruger back up to .224 and suddenly it's a great new thing again lol. The 7mm mag isn't going away any time soon. Unless of course projectiles makers pull head out of arse and make a few more decent BC .277 calibre offerings and rifle makers put some faster twist barrels of said .277 size on rifles,it might be in trouble then,still won't disappear overnight lol.

In terms of being able to totally maximise the performance of the 7mm RMs a large percentage of factory rifle offerings have certainly fallen short of the benchmark when considering the performance that one can achieve with a custom action and chambering.

Seating depth being the main culprit in Tikkas for example.

In time, a factory PRC will achieve this bench mark and probably exceed it in a cheaper factory offering and that will absolutely kill the RM.

The RM’s belt also gets a bad rep even though it’s a complete non issue if sized and loaded correctly.

Will the average PRC match the performance of my own custom 7mmRM, possibly not but it will be close enough and a hell of a lot cheaper and easier to get there.

There is no real world difference between them. Since the 7mm Rem mag has had half a century of good will and achievement I really doubt the 7 PRC will ever be selling more rifles than the 7mm Remington Magnum, despite what Greg Duley says, who never saw a new shiny thing he didn't like.

If anything was likely to "kill off" the 7mmRM in NZ I'd pick the 6.5 PRC. You only have to watch the first part of @Norway s new Ibex video to hear why. Extreme wind bucking with 156s at 2800-2900ish and recoil mild enough that most people can learn to spot their own shots. All in a package that is short action compatible (and perfect for Tikka length actions and the like ).

Well said, shot four goats with the 6.5 prc last week, two at 481 m and two at 460.
Mate had a rem mag and did fair so well.
Two thar today bang flop the prc is a machine 👍
Had a Dpt brake on the suppressor today for the fist time very impressed.

Originally Posted by Doon

Well said, shot four goats with the 6.5 prc last week, two at 481 m and two at 460.
Mate had a rem mag and did fair so well.
Two thar today bang flop the prc is a machine ��
Had a Dpt brake on the suppressor today for the fist time very impressed.

I can assure you if he didn’t do so well it’s got nothing to do with the rem mag

Fair call never owned one.