Thread: Grendel Vs 223

Originally Posted by AMac

PPU 123gn soft points @$27 box at reloaders is pretty good - advertised velocity is 2,350 - my magnetospeed said 2,300 from a 16" barrel with a DPT can on the end. I got 5 boxes should do me a while

+1 on the PPU

I purchased 3 cases/slabs/crates of this when it was branded Highland and was on special and cheaper than milsurp. Couldn't believe my luck - brass cased, copper jacketed PSP cheaper than steel cased FMJ in .223 or 7.62???? Perfect performing hunting round, and I have enough for a couple of generations of shooters to follow me.

One thing that I think works in the advantage of the 7.62x39 - due to the odd ball projectile dia, the hunting projectiles for this round have been designed correctly for the 7.62x39 velocity.
The 6.5G, along with the likes of the 6.5x55 at M38 pressures, are at the slower end of the 6.5 spectrum. 6.5 projectiles are designed for average velocities for the caliber. At Grendel velocities, you are dropping off the expansion performance curve by the time the bullet gets to the target. Another example of this is the 300 Blackout, where it has performed poorly until dedicated, soft wall projectiles started coming onto the market.

Ive had good success with deer and pigs 100-150y 123g eldm. havent lost any yet. I limit my range as i only have a 16" barrel on a zastava mini. super light weight as i fitted a Paulownia stock to it. weighs less than a bare tikka with scope, rings and suppressor fitted.

Originally Posted by Longrun

Where do you buy those?

The good old us of a. They are a bit pricey to import but if you have a friend or two then no problem to bring in the suitcase, I've got someone bringing me some 21 gr in 17 cal.

.223 vs grendel is not even comparable really.

We have both, used a .223 alot and pretty new the grendel(only maybe 20 animals) and its a night and day difference.

With most loads a grendel will have equal energy at 250 yards as a .223 has at the muzzle......

If your primary goal is shooting deer, grendel all day.

If your just shooting wallabies or goats the .223 is potentially better(cheaper, more ammo in the mag etc)

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Originally Posted by JP100

.223 vs grendel is not even comparable really.

We have both, used a .223 alot and pretty new the grendel(only maybe 20 animals) and its a night and day difference.

With most loads a grendel will have equal energy at 250 yards as a .223 has at the muzzle......

If your primary goal is shooting deer, grendel all day.

If your just shooting wallabies or goats the .223 is potentially better(cheaper, more ammo in the mag etc)

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I have no doubt the Grendel is a thing of beauty and a step up from the .223.

I wonder what projectiles you were using in the .223? Not dissing your experience but the heavy for caliber .223 bullets in the 70-80 grn class are great and make up for lack of energy by causing disproportional wound damage and physical trauma. Mine kills well and cleanly out to 250 odd yards and further.

A Grendel sounds a good option if you don't have a slow twist .223 but otherwise I'd stick to the .223.

Originally Posted by Tahr

I have no doubt the Grendel is a thing of beauty and a step up from the .223.

I wonder what projectiles you were using in the .223? Not dissing your experience but the heavy for caliber .223 bullets in the 70-80 grn class are great and make up for lack of energy by causing disproportional wound damage and physical trauma. Mine kills well and cleanly out to 250 odd yards and further.

A Grendel sounds a good option if you don't have a slow twist .223 but otherwise I'd stick to the .223.

We have primarily used the 55gn Hornady soft points, because the ,223 we have was a 'normal' twist.
These bullets do perform pretty well, and have seen stags and even one Bull tahr dropped with them out to 200+ yards.

I have a fast twist .223 now, so will be starting on the 70gn projectiles, I have no doubt they are much better, but a Grendel will still push a bigger bullet, have more energy and with the right bullet have deeper penetration and a similar wound channel.

The only real disadvantage to the grendel would be ammo cost/availability(compared to a .223), but if your comparing it with heavy .223 ammo, chances are your reloading anyway, so the difference is minimal