Thread: GS Custom

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Has anybody had any experience with the GS Custom bullets?
Specifically for a 243, Thinking of giving the 69gn HV a go.

Ive read some very negative stuff on Snipershide about their BC claims ,id stick with cheaper proven projectiles

Originally Posted by el borracho

Ive read some very negative stuff on Snipershide about their BC claims ,id stick with cheaper proven projectiles

BC not a issue going hard an fast to 400 450m it's a solid projectile even in the 6.5 I put them in would be 500m max on game

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el borracho,

Ive read some very negative stuff on Snipershide about their BC claims

I would like to set your mind at ease about Snipers Hide and the BC of GSC bullets. This is not a negative counter to what you said. After all, you report what you have seen in good faith. I just want the opportunity to state the GSC perspective.

Sniper's Hide were going to do a test of various bullets to determine how the manufacturers performed. The date set for the test was really inconvenient to us as we were in the process of expanding manufacturing from South Africa to the USA and had a host of other projects going. When we were invited by Mr Frank Galli, the owner of the Snipers Hide site, I politely declined to participate, explaining about the expansion, projects and our time line which was already fixed far beyond the date of the test. Also, I feared that the test would be a little biased, given that Mr. Galli was in support of another manufacturer and felt that the best route would be to assume a non-confrontational position.

Mr. Galli became aggressive and tried to force GSC into participation. He obtained some first generation GSC bullets and used them in the test. Despite the negative words written by Mr. Galli, the published table reflected a fair result for GSC.

* The GSC bullets were the lightest tested.
* The GSC bullets were shot at very slow speeds. Three other makes that were heavier were loaded to higher speeds than the GSC SP bullets.
* Mr. Galli then compared the BC obtained through testing, with the average BC of the three numbers given on the GSC website. He thereby compared apples to oranges.
* The three BC numbers given by GSC on the GSC website, are at the three speeds at which these numbers occur. It is intended to be used in a ballistics program.
* If the numbers are just averaged, the fact that the bullet spends far more time at the lower speed and BC is not taken into account. This is taken into account with a ballistics program and with a live test as done by SH and why the two sets of numbers cannot be compared.
* Further, the bullet tested by SH was about three years old at the time and the data from the improved version of the bullet was used for the SH comparison.
* Mr. Galli was informed of these facts very shortly after the test but elected to ban me from SH and let the results stand. I was told by someone, who has the information, that it was a commercial decision and in the best interest of SH.

I have published a corrected table and all relevant information regarding this matter.

GS CUSTOM BULLETS - Snipers Hide Test

Originally Posted by Gerard

el borracho,

I would like to set your mind at ease about Snipers Hide and the BC of GSC bullets. This is not a negative counter to what you said. After all, you report what you have seen in good faith. I just want the opportunity to state the GSC perspective.

Sniper's Hide were going to do a test of various bullets to determine how the manufacturers performed. The date set for the test was really inconvenient to us as we were in the process of expanding manufacturing from South Africa to the USA and had a host of other projects going. When we were invited by Mr Frank Galli, the owner of the Snipers Hide site, I politely declined to participate, explaining about the expansion, projects and our time line which was already fixed far beyond the date of the test. Also, I feared that the test would be a little biased, given that Mr. Galli was in support of another manufacturer and felt that the best route would be to assume a non-confrontational position.

Mr. Galli became aggressive and tried to force GSC into participation. He obtained some first generation GSC bullets and used them in the test. Despite the negative words written by Mr. Galli, the published table reflected a fair result for GSC.

* The GSC bullets were the lightest tested.
* The GSC bullets were shot at very slow speeds. Three other makes that were heavier were loaded to higher speeds than the GSC SP bullets.
* Mr. Galli then compared the BC obtained through testing, with the average BC of the three numbers given on the GSC website. He thereby compared apples to oranges.
* The three BC numbers given by GSC on the GSC website, are at the three speeds at which these numbers occur. It is intended to be used in a ballistics program.
* If the numbers are just averaged, the fact that the bullet spends far more time at the lower speed and BC is not taken into account. This is taken into account with a ballistics program and with a live test as done by SH and why the two sets of numbers cannot be compared.
* Further, the bullet tested by SH was about three years old at the time and the data from the improved version of the bullet was used for the SH comparison.
* Mr. Galli was informed of these facts very shortly after the test but elected to ban me from SH and let the results stand. I was told by someone, who has the information, that it was a commercial decision and in the best interest of SH.

I have published a corrected table and all relevant information regarding this matter.

GS CUSTOM BULLETS - Snipers Hide Test

Gerald.

Send me some 375 projectiles 375414SP256 & I will test them for you.

I have shot well over 1000 Cutting Edge bullets from 330-425 grains in several 375s.

As I have barrels with 7.8 & 7.25 exit twists I have more than enough speed & twist to stabilise the 414s.

I have shot 200 of your 416420SP155 in my custom 416 Barrett & was happy with the performance of them.

I'm always looking for a better mouse trap especially in the feild of ELR shooting.

Cheers Greg.

Hello Greg,

Thanks for the kind words, I am glad you like the 416 bullets. With the way that legislation is tightening up, we have given up sending parcels to individuals in other countries. It is always a gamble whether the parcel will arrive and, more often than not, we lose. Our distributor in NZ has placed an order with us which we are still manufacturing and, no doubt, he will add to it as we go along and right up to sending. We have found that working through a distributor with all the paperwork in place is the only way to go. It is most reliable.

Please contact him at martin@smartbest.co.nz

His website is agreement_with_gs_custom

Thanks for the contact, we will always be available for technical assistance if it is required.

As far as supply and price is concerned, it is unfortunately a fact of life that some things cost more than others.

If the price hike is simply excessive markup/profit, it cannot be justified and it is a rip off. If, however, the higher price is the result of more care taken, a higher raw material price because of quality/features, an absolute quality control system and so on, the price is justified.

If you want to just get from A to B, one can walk or use a scooter or something that else that costs as little as what one wants to spend. If one wants to get from A to B in maximum safety, with total reliability and with a margin of safety when things go wrong or become difficult, transport costs more. This is the way with all commodities. You can sit on a bench made from boards or you can sit on something with padding.

I was once told that if one strives for perfection, even when you come up a bit short, you are still in good shape. We will always do the best we can.

See the bit under 'Bullet Design and Q&A'. We have changed to a digital thermometer but all else still remains.

GS CUSTOM BULLETS - Manufacturing and Quality Control Processes

Regards

Gerard

I did a ladder test the other week and ended up with a shotgun pattern
Then stuck my standard load through and it was the same

Found that the front bedding screw was almost falling out at home so that has been torqued and locktighted.
Weatherforcast for tuesday looks good for testing but that probably means both roading crews will be working hard out at work and I won't have anywhere safe to shoot!
Will have the GS and the Targex to test at the same time.

El B the BC's of the projectiles doesn't really have must affect for me when 300m is a long shot and 400m is once every couple of years if that.

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I did a ladder test the other week and ended up with a shotgun pattern
Then stuck my standard load through and it was the same

Found that the front bedding screw was almost falling out at home so that has been torqued and locktighted.
Weatherforcast for tuesday looks good for testing but that probably means both roading crews will be working hard out at work and I won't have anywhere safe to shoot!
Will have the GS and the Targex to test at the same time.

El B the BC's of the projectiles doesn't really have must affect for me when 300m is a long shot and 400m is once every couple of years if that.

Barefoot, what sort of range are you wanting to test fire over? Fawning is still happening up the back but if you only needed to shoot over one or two hundred meters then I am sure we could find somewhere suitable on my property on Tuesday evening.

Thats very generous Rushy but I should be good.
I have one spot left up my sleave at work I should be able to use and it's close to where I'm doing some fencing anyway.
We currently have 2 logging crews, a road lining crew, 2 different roading contractors on the place and the thinning crew just went home yesterday.
Some days its like there's more people up here than in town!

This was the ladder test I done in the 6.5 at 202m speeds ranged from 3745at min to a weeeeeee bit more:rolleyes:

7 shot ladder, an then a 3shot group at speed was happy with an it went .4 inch at same range so was job done.

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Was able to get out and do the ladder test for both the gs custom and the targex today.
Now have to find time load up some real test batches, but the rifle seems to be favouring the heavier targex at this stage.

Down side for the day was my newer suppressor completely spat the dummy.
Not sure what caused it yet, need to find the large missing bit to figure it out.

Originally Posted by Neckshot

Running my 85 and 95 targex thru the chrony shortly not at it and they are very accurate low drag hum along pils.havnt tried them on any deer yet but soon.

95s are nice shooting in my girls gun too. Goin surpriseingly fast
Hopefully test on deer soon

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How fast? are you calling me a girlyea i really wnat to see what these expand like, im in the same soon boat mate.

About 300fps faster than i thought:eek:
Im picking they will be very frangible if the neck shot sheep is any indication

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Hi fellas, yes think along the lines of the Berger hunting bullets, will penetrate & then do a lot of internal damage.
Cheers.

I'm just hoping to get them to 2900fps, but is a 19" barrel.
Think I'll go resize some case for testing next week.