Thread: H414/2209

After recent advice I'm starting again with my 22-250 load, can anyone advise on the use of H414/2209? Or suggest another powder? Using anything from 60g-75g projectiles.

Not looking for data as I'll work up my own load.

No advise but are you assuming H414 is exactly the same as ADI2209 ie 2 names for exactly the same powder?

@charliehorse. AR2209 IS NOT the same as H414. W760 is though.

Only taking that from the adi powder equivalent chart. So if not the same powder in a different packaging then very similar?

Simikar burn rate but very different internal ballistcs. You can safely associate H414- W760 but Ar2209 would require a seperate unique work-up.

Just brought the last H414 from WSI so will start reading up on some starting points.

Best start by using this Take Aim at Rifle Reloading Data | Hodgdon Reloading

Select some loads using W760 and H414 and you will see the same data.
Then have a look at H4350 (ADI2209 renamed and repackaged by Hodgdon).

More useful data here http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...product-codes/

Also you will see from the can that ADI 2209 is a stick powder (extruded) and H 414 / W760 is a ball powder ( spherical)

What about ADI AR2213C it can do the 70grain pills

ADI link

I used 4895 with 60 and 63gn projectiles, then changed to 2206H when 4895 became hard to get. 34.5-35.5gns of 2206 has given me real tidy groups and lots of dead beasties for the past 20 odd years.

35-40 grains of WW760 behind a 60 grain pill in the .22/250 is data from Nick Harvey book. I used about 38 grains behind a 55 gn pill as a easy shooting load in my rifle.

Had a bit of a play with the H414 this arvo using some virgin norma brass. Might look into E, F & G tomorrow if I get time. G was the only group using Winny primers. All the rest Federal

I see your using 75 gn pills and not 60/62s ?

Hopefully you have a fast twist bbl 1:9 or better?

Unless you have decided 3000 fps is about what you after, I’d be inclined to go up in 0.5 gn increments first and then start fine tuning?

Yep 1:9 twist. If I have no joy I'll push on for some more speed. Not to fussed, happy to preserve everything with a round that's not racing and hopefully very accurate on the small critters.

Cartridge : .22-250 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 75, Hornady ELD-M 22791
Useable Case Capaci: 37.761 grain H2O = 2.452 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.350 inch = 59.69 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H414

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 78 28.80 2549 1082 30445 9182 85.8 1.376
-18.0 80 29.52 2615 1138 32534 9503 87.3 1.340
-16.0 82 30.24 2681 1197 34771 9816 88.7 1.305
-14.0 84 30.96 2747 1256 37163 10121 90.0 1.270
-12.0 86 31.68 2813 1318 39732 10416 91.2 1.230
-10.0 88 32.40 2880 1381 42483 10700 92.4 1.192
-08.0 90 33.12 2947 1446 45435 10972 93.6 1.155
-06.0 92 33.84 3013 1512 48604 11231 94.6 1.120
-04.0 94 34.56 3080 1580 51993 11475 95.5 1.086
-02.0 96 35.28 3147 1649 55600 11703 96.4 1.053 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 98 36.00 3214 1720 59465 11914 97.2 1.022 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 100 36.72 3281 1792 63612 12106 97.9 0.991 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 102 37.44 3347 1866 68067 12279 98.5 0.962 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 104 38.16 3414 1940 72857 12432 99.0 0.933 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 106 38.88 3480 2016 78016 12562 99.4 0.906 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 108 39.60 3546 2094 83578 12670 99.7 0.879 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 36.00 3376 1898 71532 11810 99.9 0.944 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 36.00 2999 1498 47936 11396 90.2 1.123