Thread: Inaccurate Cartridges

Oh oh oh meme meme I know the answer to this riddle BLANKS there as inaccurate as@¥#~ it must be true I saw it on that Bruce Willis movie

So it seems that inaccuracy lies in the eyes of the shooter?

If they made it to production they usually shot good enough for either commercial or government use. A natural selection weeding the poor shooters out so to speak. One is hardly likely to invest money in production of a cartridge that proves inaccurate in testing.

But in my own experience the .22 Magnum, and the Snider .577. The .22 Magnum's I have met have trouble getting under one inch at 50 metres, and the Sniders I have shot have difficulty getting under one foot at 25... (How accurate are .22 shorts?)

.303's have a bad name; the Lee Enfield rifles were designed to shoot the equivilent of three inch groups at 100 yards, but the cartridge itself will do anything you like in a good rifle. The rifle target clubs all up through till the '60's were all shot with .303's.
The .30/30 has also a poor reputation because of the open sighted lever actions, but the .30/30 can be a phenomenal shooter in single shots and bolt actions.

Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

If they made it to production they usually shot good enough for either commercial or government use. A natural selection weeding the poor shooters out so to speak. One is hardly likely to invest money in production of a cartridge that proves inaccurate in testing.

But in my own experience the .22 Magnum, and the Snider .577. The .22 Magnum's I have met have trouble getting under one inch at 50 metres, and the Sniders I have shot have difficulty getting under one foot at 25... (How accurate are .22 shorts?)

.303's have a bad name; the Lee Enfield rifles were designed to shoot the equivilent of three inch groups at 100 yards, but the cartridge itself will do anything you like in a good rifle. The rifle target clubs all up through till the '60's were all shot with .303's.
The .30/30 has also a poor reputation because of the open sighted lever actions, but the .30/30 can be a phenomenal shooter in single shots and bolt actions.

Agreed. most 303s are just flogged out.

I have a previously unfired no4 that i use in service rifle. 1.5 - 2 inch with iron sights at 100m.

Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

If they made it to production they usually shot good enough for either commercial or government use. A natural selection weeding the poor shooters out so to speak. One is hardly likely to invest money in production of a cartridge that proves inaccurate in testing.

But in my own experience the .22 Magnum, and the Snider .577. The .22 Magnum's I have met have trouble getting under one inch at 50 metres, and the Sniders I have shot have difficulty getting under one foot at 25... (How accurate are .22 shorts?)

.303's have a bad name; the Lee Enfield rifles were designed to shoot the equivilent of three inch groups at 100 yards, but the cartridge itself will do anything you like in a good rifle. The rifle target clubs all up through till the '60's were all shot with .303's.
The .30/30 has also a poor reputation because of the open sighted lever actions, but the .30/30 can be a phenomenal shooter in single shots and bolt actions.

Agreed. most 303s are just flogged out.

I have a previously unfired no4 that i use in service rifle. 1.5 - 2 inch with iron sights at 100m.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Agreed. most 303s are just flogged out.

I have a previously unfired no4 that i use in service rifle. 1.5 - 2 inch with iron sights at 100m.

I had a Longbranch No.4 that would do the same. These days I have a 30/30 Winchester carbine with standard factory sights that will go under that with ease, as well as a Winchester 73 in .44/40 that will shoot 1.5 inch groups with black powder and open sights. The '73 took a lot of experimentation with both the loads and the sights to get there; the .30/30 was born that way.

There certainly seems to be calibres that can achieve greater accuracy than others e.g 22 / 6mm BR and 6.5x47

All the hunting rifles I have owned, regardless of calibre, have shot M.O.C (minute of critter.)

Minute of critter/ deer thats a great definition of the minimum needed to get the job done at any one time.

Minute of critter/ deer thats a great definition of the minimum needed to get the job done at any one time.

As mentioned the old Bren was accurate.
When I first joined most of the Brens were converted to 7.62

There were still some in. 303
I remember one of our bigger fellas who was a gunner that could single shot the thing into tiny wee groups and instead of shooting at the target at 300 he would shoot the pole in order to piss off the fellas in the butts.

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yip you sure wouldnt want to try to match that with an AK47,uzi or a steyr ....and they call it progress

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

yip you sure wouldnt want to try to match that with an AK47,uzi or a steyr ....and they call it progress

With K100 or SS109 and different than issue optics the Steyr would do it piece of piss.
About the only thing I liked about them was their accuracy.

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Originally Posted by R93

With K100 or SS109 and different than issue optics the Steyr would do it piece of piss.
About the only thing I liked about them was their accuracy.

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I just couldn't get used to that trigger! Guess thats why I opted to carry the C9

Originally Posted by wsm junkie

I just couldn't get used to that trigger! Guess thats why I opted to carry the C9

An Allen key with some graphite powder along with a bit of tinkering made it semi respectable. But yeah in general they were shit.

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