Thread: Inaccurate Cartridges

yip you sure wouldnt want to try to match that with an AK47,uzi or a steyr ....and they call it progress

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

yip you sure wouldnt want to try to match that with an AK47,uzi or a steyr ....and they call it progress

With K100 or SS109 and different than issue optics the Steyr would do it piece of piss.
About the only thing I liked about them was their accuracy.

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the bren would have been fitted with iron sights was it not???????
my Father still has a trophy in cabinet from his compulersy military service days
Dad and his mate cleaned up the whole battalion between them, his mate was first with the bren and 2nd with rifle and Dad the other way around.....

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Much is made recently of the inherent accuracy of having a short fat powder column. wsm saum br etc
Yet many get great results out of 30-06/6.5 etc

I have no experience to quantify the differences but am interested where this thread will head.

VC, I'm pretty sure this short fat column primarily promotes efficiency with the powder burn and this leads to being able to finely tuning the accuracy with smaller increments of powder. Some of our bench resters may be able to confirm this

Originally Posted by R93

With K100 or SS109 and different than issue optics the Steyr would do it piece of piss.
About the only thing I liked about them was their accuracy.

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I just couldn't get used to that trigger! Guess thats why I opted to carry the C9

Originally Posted by wsm junkie

I just couldn't get used to that trigger! Guess thats why I opted to carry the C9

An Allen key with some graphite powder along with a bit of tinkering made it semi respectable. But yeah in general they were shit.

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Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Agreed. most 303s are just flogged out.

I have a previously unfired no4 that i use in service rifle. 1.5 - 2 inch with iron sights at 100m.

I had a Longbranch No.4 that would do the same. These days I have a 30/30 Winchester carbine with standard factory sights that will go under that with ease, as well as a Winchester 73 in .44/40 that will shoot 1.5 inch groups with black powder and open sights. The '73 took a lot of experimentation with both the loads and the sights to get there; the .30/30 was born that way.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

the bren would have been fitted with iron sights was it not???????
my Father still has a trophy in cabinet from his compulersy military service days
Dad and his mate cleaned up the whole battalion between them, his mate was first with the bren and 2nd with rifle and Dad the other way around.....

Yeah it was just off set irons.
But the same fella was a freak and Army shooting team gunner. When we were training for comps I seen him hit a fig 14 (huns head) 6 out of 10rnds with a gpmg at 500yrds.
Couldn't shoot a rifle for shit tho

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Originally Posted by Mathias

22 Magnum comes to mind. Not known for good accuracy, compared to it's little brother anyway.

It has that reputation but I don't know if its actually justified or not.

I've only had one of them (Savage 93G), it generally shot around 1-1.5" at 100yds depending what I fed it. Less variety of ammo options than 22LR if you get a fussy one I suppose.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

same/similar bore diametre...the 7.62x39mm doesnt spring to mind as being a tack driver....doesnt need to be for its intended purpose. which leads thought process onto individual rounds DESIGNED to tumble etc....

@Micky Duck

All spitzers tumble - because their point of balance is towards their base. The Mk 7 ball merely had exaggerated rearward point of balance. A rearward point of balance also renders spitzers (translated "pointys") more accurate.

With regard to accuracy, more accurate cartridges, etc, that is a long discussion.

Military rifles are designed for reliability-- with dirt included. That includes loose chamber tolerances, whether .303 or 7.62x39. Hard to feed cartridges perfectly concentric with the bore when you have a loose-fit chamber, and as such bullets engage rifling off-axis, a major, major, major source of inaccuracy. A .303 No 4 could have been made with exacting tolerances to shoot half-MOA (with a new barrel) but look in all respects like a stock rifle, but you'd not trust your life to it. And you would experience problems with out-of-spec ammo.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

the .30/06 is no slouch either....buggered if I would want to be out in the boonies anywhere under say 800yards if someone was peering through a scope ontop of one,even if its over a hundred years old....same goes for the .45/90 and the like.
they could all shoot out to distance its just our expectations and technogatgetry have got so much better/ahead.

I had a Remington 03-A3 sporter that was an absolute tack driver even with open sights, heavy as the day is long though!
I asked a gunsmith to tap the action for me so I could fit a scope and he refused, reckons they were made from some of the hardest steel out and smiths hate tapping them as it wrecks their gear. Real nice rifle it was.

Originally Posted by Mathias

22 Magnum comes to mind. Not known for good accuracy, compared to it's little brother anyway.

Still down to rifle and shooter.

These two thought they where safe out at over 100meters not
Rifle was this! CZ

When my brother saw the shots he brought it on the spot
You just need to know your cartridge and know your rifle.
Every rifle is different.......our should I say every barrel once the bedding and trigger is taken care of

Looks like that top photo was taken from where the shot was

Here's a closer look
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...tml#post633782

Apparently much .22 Mag ammo has shite quality projectiles that will never allow top performance.

Regarding the maggies, I'd be more excited if you'd said they were levelled at 150yds. I shot two this morning with a PCP air rifle at 85 and 87yds resp

Originally Posted by 6x47

Apparently much .22 Mag ammo has shite quality projectiles that will never allow top performance.

Regarding the maggies, I'd be more excited if you'd said they were levelled at 150yds. I shot two this morning with a PCP air rifle at 85 and 87yds resp

Actually taken at 175. Which is around 160 metershttp://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...tml#post633782