Thread: The new cartridge that makes the most sense to me.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

Funny thing,my mind was pondering a short reamed .270 just last night. So it could be a .308 case but .270 from shoulder forwards sort of deal... Or run 243 reamer then neck with .270. either use 7mm/08 dies with .277 expander ball or take X xmm off bum of std .270 dies then ream shoulder of them if necessary..why??? Well just because it would be a .277 and not the imposter .284 7mm/08. But the couple of grand to do this just isn't going to be "spare pocket change" any time soon.

You might be onto something
I'm keen to see this technology applied to other calibers like .223.

Originally Posted by zeropak

So what do you reckon the 25 Creed will be able to do better than either the 6.5 or 6mm Creedmoor?

For the average hunter inside if 400 meters, not very much.
The advantage to the 25CM is higher velocity with higher BC bullets than 6.5CM, and higher BC bullets than 6CM, a bit slower but better barrel life.

For the most part the only people who will benefit greatly changing to this cartridge are long range shooters looking for ever bit of performance they can.
Otherwise it just joins the very long list of cartridges that'll be fine for the average hunter.

Originally Posted by Sh00ter

You might be onto something
I'm keen to see this technology applied to other calibers like .223.

Too late it's been done back around 2006 called the 270 Redding never took off should be able to find dies and reamers second hand

Originally Posted by Tokoroa Cast Projectiles

Too late it's been done back around 2006 called the 270 Redding never took off should be able to find dies and reamers second hand

I'm guessing he was referred to the hybrid case technology, as opposed to the shortened case.

Originally Posted by Sh00ter

You might be onto something
I'm keen to see this technology applied to other calibers like .223.

Im not positive his conclusions stack up.

The standard cased fury ammo shot slower than 270 and if you gave them a similar barrel length there would be nothing in it. Likewise I suspect any advantage would disappear if you gave the 270 win a steel head and shorter barrel.

It's funny how these things come about and the factors that contribute or detract from their uptake, e.g. projectile choice not broad enough or twist rate wrong.

My pick for a new factory cartridge would be something like a 30/6.5 PRC, full 30-06 performance from a short action . . . . And I will admit I was inspired by @wayno showing me a 30/284, essentially the same thing but no shagging about with a related rim.

Sales and marketing selling the sizzle not the sausage that's really all it is imo

Originally Posted by whanahuia

The standard cased fury ammo shot slower than 270 and if you gave them a similar barrel length there would be nothing in it. Likewise I suspect any advantage would disappear if you gave the 270 win a steel head and shorter barrel.

Yeah but the pressure limit is part of the SAAMI/CIP spec and so you can't give a 270 Win a steel case head and ramp it up to 80,000PSI without re-submitting it and calling it something new like "277 Furious Barrel Burner".

If you don't use full pressure 277 Fury ammo then you essentially have a 270-08. You'd forgive a 270-08 for not quite hanging with a 270 Win, the same as you wouldn't expect a 308 to outperform a 30-06.

With full pressure ammo, the 277 Fury in the 20" Cross seemed to slightly outperform the 24" 270 Win. Of course if you compared full pressure 277 Fury to a new 270 Win-esque 80K PSI hybrid, you'd expect the 277 Fury to get spanked.

If you had a hankering for something in a “new” 270, then a 270/284 or 270 SAUM would be worthy candidates. Or 270/7 PRC.

Originally Posted by Jaco Goosen

I've always been of the opinion that the 2506 should have been a 2508.

Eventhough Im a 6mm guy, I can appreciate the 25cal. I've build several 25 Creedmoors to date and if I have to shoot anything other than a 6mm(in competition) it would most probably be a 25 Creedmoor.

Things you should know, its not much faster than the 6.5Creed, but the BC is better.

Barrels can be ordered from Ozark or Trueflite, cases can be ordered from Ozark, or you could just purchase 6.5 cases and neck down. Dies? Just get a set of 6.5CM bushing dies and fit the correct size bushing.

Im currently playing with the idea of building me a light hunting rifle, not a slow twist barrel as Id be happy to shoot 117s or120s.

The 08 case didn't exist when Neidner necked down the 30-06 case to 25 cal in the 20s

Cheers for that mate. I did not realize the 25-06 has been around that long.

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

Sales and marketing selling the sizzle not the sausage that's really all it is imo

I don't really think that's he case.
Hornady has started making brass for 22 Creedmoor and 25 Creedmoor not because "marketing " but because these were already popular cartridges people were already using.

Hornady has done a great job of releasing products into the market that are actually better than existing products, and backing them up with decent ammo and reloading supplies.

It's fanboys that push the stupid claims.
6.5 Creedmoor was designed in 2007 and was already taking the competition market away from 243, 260, 6.5x55 and 6.5x47L, probably 10 years before people started making stupid claims about it and it became a meme.
Im pretty sure 7mm08 was still the "latte drinkers" cartridge in 2017.

well I have a dumb question for you learned buggers the old 8mm was popular when I was young for meat hunting as there was a few WW2 mausers around - dont hear much about it now but did anyone neck that down -say use a 7mm or 6.5 projectile - just interested as the 30-06 became well a lot of different calibers

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

well I have a dumb question for you learned buggers the old 8mm was popular when I was young for meat hunting as there was a few WW2 mausers around - dont hear much about it now but did anyone neck that down -say use a 7mm or 6.5 projectile - just interested as the 30-06 became well a lot of different calibers

The Europeans were so far ahead of anyone else in this regard, 6x57 in 1895, 6.5x57 1893, 7x57 1882, 8 x57 1888 then there's the 9, 9.3, and 10.75 all on the same case. The widely used .473 case head diameter is also a Mauser original dimension.
Some things are so old they're new again.

Greetings,
In the mid 1950's, when the .234 Win and .244 Rem were introduced the .250 Savage (.250 3000) and the .257 Roberts were standard factory chamberings. Fast forward a decade and both were gone dropped like a hot brick. The .25-06 became a factory round about 1970. Now many decades later we contemplate the return of an improved form of the .250 Savage, an ancestor of the 6.5 Creedmoor. The .250 was designed for Savage and the model 99 rifle by Newton who went on to design and market a range of beltless high performance cartridges (magnums) and rifles in the 1920's. I wonder what he would make of it all.
Regards Grandpamac.