Thread: NZFS ammunition article by Lynn Harris

Found a couple of full boxes tucked away. .222 and 270. Interesting article. Fills in some knowledge gaps for sure.

I saw this listing you may be interested in: 4 Empty Cartridges stamped CAC .270 NZFS(NZ forest service) https://www.trademe.co.nz/4061251516

Originally Posted by Woody

Actually I think the line below which populations cannot readily recover is 30% residual. 10% residual is very drastic. That 30% assumes an approximate 4-7 year population recovery assuming no further culling so for sustained herd management a 30% residual population to start a sustained management herd would be a reasonable start point depending of course on a known ecological balance. E.g. The Lake Monk study.
Filing the tips of 303 ball ammo worked very well. Ground based culling from strategically located huts and fly camps was pretty effective and allowed semi-permanant pressure on the animals in many areas. If better and cheaper hunter access was invested in today I think the knockdown achieved by heli operators uears ago could have been capitalised upon and the current situation of exploding numbers avoided.

the technology available to hunters today are leaps n bounds ahead too.... a thar at 600 yards would have laughed at you 50 years ago...
thermals were not even heard of....
yeah spotlighting on DOC land has always been illegal..... but thats sort of counterproductive too,especially for possums... the stupid no drop off in areas without permits is also dumb other than in areas of special interest,reading newer permit conditions its getting tougher and tougher not easier. dumb

Originally Posted by tac a1

I find it ironic that farm owners with high animal numbers still won't allow proper responsible licenced hunters onto their properties to help reduce the numbers.

I've asked a few, and been knocked back. (If anyone would like to offer, I would be keen..........). It seems like they view the animals as an asset, rather than the noxious grass eating pest. As far as I'm aware there is not much of a export market left, and live capture won't ever come back like it was. Too many deer farms around now to supply. Maybe they are holding onto the hope that the export trade will return.

I don't like their chances. The deer numbers will continue to increase and they will become a real problem in the next few years.

(Sorry, dont mean to Hijack thread)

Largely because many Hunters can’t follow simple rules set by Land Owners.

Why tar everyone with the same brush???. Not all of us are gun toting morons who cant follow instructions.

Have a problem with someone, ban them. Simple.

Originally Posted by tac a1

Why tar everyone with the same brush???. Not all of us are gun toting morons who cant follow instructions.

Have a problem with someone, ban them. Simple.

Just not worth the risk.

Probably too late to add this info as the thread has drifted way off topic, but here goes at any rate....

The CAC NZ Forest Service order for 270W was in 1968. CAC supplied 100,000 130gr PSP and 50,000 150gr PSP. Order was completed in 1969 and there were no further orders. Headstamp was *270*CAC*NZFS. It looks like the original NZFS proposal was 250,000 rounds each of 130gr and 150gr.

308W - A single lot of 1,000 rounds were loaded for NZFS during 1968. 110gr Speer SP bullet. No indication in my reference whether further loadings for NZFS occurred.
In 1977 CAC produced 100,000 rounds for Alpine Helicopters LTD. The headstamp was 308W and A (Dropped the 2 Cs off from CAC.)

Hope I haven't infringed copyright.

I heard from Cullers the 270 loads didn’t open up and most animals ran off, anyone have this experience with the 270 150 grain load?

I believe that was on lean hinds .....funny how the .270 has forever been acused of blowing up and bruising to much meat....and yet back then the early loads were too hard.