Thread: Ugly Annealer

Originally Posted by TeRei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmcIgSsbR1M

Good systems both. But for simplicity, effectiveness and cost I use the Fred Barker candle.

Good skills and great price.
Now the amp annealler is been made available it has rendered the flame system redundant as even if you get the batch right the first time the chance of repeating the same results would be a fluke.
There are people on here that have gone from flame to induction and wouldn't go back.
Just saying

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Showed my cobber the ugly annealer vids. He ordered one today.

I'd be keen as well
I may have missed something but what if you wanted calibres like 30 06 and 6.5x55 ?

All covered. Watch the two vids.

Originally Posted by andyanimal31

Good skills and great price.
Now the amp annealler is been made available it has rendered the flame system redundant as even if you get the batch right the first time the chance of repeating the same results would be a fluke.
There are people on here that have gone from flame to induction and wouldn't go back.
Just saying

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Whats an AMP cost though?
Some people can't afford that level.
And flame annealing has been around for a very long time and will continue to do so.

Originally Posted by cambo

Whats an AMP cost though?
Some people can't afford that level.
And flame annealing has been around for a very long time and will continue to do so.

Pm incoming!

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The idea I like about these vs the AMP is the volume of brass you can process. I see that people have made automatic hopper fed induction annealers as well. I done like the idea of sitting in front of an AMP feeding 3-500 bits of brass through it manually.

What masochist waits until he has 500 pieces to do?
But if you're into volume reloading you probably are moneyed up and are already using a top end Dillon for your reloading. In which case you will probably have an AMP annealer with AMP Mate auto feeder and Dillon top. $$$$

AMP is super quick even when single feeding cases. Like 3-4sec for 308. There are a bunch of guys offering an annealing service on their AMP for pretty cheap. You’d have to anneal a lot of brass to justify a flame unit if you can just some bloke on here to AMP your cases.

Originally Posted by zimmer

What masochist waits until he has 500 pieces to do?
But if you're into volume reloading you probably are moneyed up and are already using a top end Dillon for your reloading. In which case you will probably have an AMP annealer with AMP Mate auto feeder and Dillon top. $$$$

If I'm loading 223, I'd rather prep a large batch of brass so it's on hand when it comes time to actually load

Originally Posted by Beavis

If I'm loading 223, I'd rather prep a large batch of brass so it's on hand when it comes time to actually load

Like I said then? :-)

Originally Posted by zimmer

What masochist waits until he has 500 pieces to do?
But if you're into volume reloading you probably are moneyed up and are already using a top end Dillon for your reloading. In which case you will probably have an AMP annealer with AMP Mate auto feeder and Dillon top. $$$$

Unfortunately after firing a hell of a lot in a weekend I have to reload that same amount to restock for the next trip.
Feeding my 223 and soon my sons 223, I need/have to do many many at a time.
As in 1k+ at a time.

I wish I has a Dillon 650 or a Hornady AP press to help speed up my reloading. Hopefully an APis coming my way soon though.
Having 1 of these ugly annealers will help keep my brass going so I don't have to replace it as often.
An AMP would be nice but unfortunately way out of my price range.

Here's some comparisons -

Ugly - pretty hard to tell exactly but timing his video it was 9secs/case, 400/hour. Bit hard to tell whether the video was showing it fully set up or just running a demo. Appeared to be 308W.

Benchsource (Twin burner) - only example I timed was 284W at 460/hour. Benchsource should be quicker being twin burner but it's changeover time on the carousel is slightly slower than the Ugly. So the twin burner advantage it gains over the Ugly is lost a bit. Also you can only get some many on the carousel whereas the Ugly hopper is huge.

AMP - 223R ~ 500 to 530/hour, 6mm BR ~ 445/hour, 6.5x47L ~ 425/hour, 7.5X55SR ~ 340/hour, 308W ~ 360/hour.

It should be pointed out that with the AMP you're working your arse off to maintain a high throughput and its also boring as.

If you desire gas annealing I still think the Ugly represents good value.
Should give more consistant results than manual gas methods. The issue with gas though it getting the burners set the same each time. If using small bottles there is a drop off as they near empty. And it's a pain using Tempilac each session. I gave up using Tempilac early on and relied on eye, not the greatest method.

Depends upon your annealing needs. If you're just wanting to extend case life a rough gas process will do. If your anal about neck tension induction is where it's at.

Correct.
If I was going to do it for competition reasons, an AMP would be 1 of the first thing on the shopping list.
As its just for extended brass life, the Ugly will do just fine.
Plenty of others use different methods to great success as well.
I have been using a salt bath annealer as 1 of the other methods, but am wanting a quicker more automated process for my reloading sequence. The hopper in the Ugly will certainly enable me to do that and do some more case prep while I watch it work