Thread: Organic farm

Fonterra says it is "desperate" to gets its hands on organic milk supplies because it is worth five times more than conventional.

Recently, in an offer that was not made public, Fonterra increased the premium it pays to organic farmers by 25c per kilogram of milk solids, to a total of $1.75. Added to the forecast price of $3.85 announced last week and organic suppliers will receive $5.60 per kg/ms for this season.

The international retail price of organic milk powder is $14,600 per tonne compared to about $2800 for non-organic. Skim organic powder fetches $12,500.

Organic farmers doubt Fonterra's commitment | NZNews | Newshub

interesting story.

Wonder if you can use an air rifle instead ? Less lead, still effective.

Air rifles do gold plated pellets dont they? Surely that would add to the value of it!

I have to say that the whole "organic" thing seems like total fucking nonsense to me. I would argue that any animal and any vegetable is organic particularly given Marty Henry's erudite description on the previous page. A grumpy old bugger like me reckons a chook is a fucking chook regardless of what it has eaten. The only difference between a chook that has spent it's life running around a paddock scratching in the dirt and a chook that has been caged, pumped full of growth hormones and fooled into eating a shitload more mash is that the latter is a damn site more tender and a whole lot more of a plate filler.

Originally Posted by Rushy

I have to say that the whole "organic" thing seems like total fucking nonsense to me. I would argue that any animal and any vegetable is organic particularly given Marty Henry's erudite description on the previous page. A grumpy old bugger like me reckons a chook is a fucking chook regardless of what it has eaten. The only difference between a chook that has spent it's life running around a paddock scratching in the dirt and a chook that has been caged, pumped full of growth hormones and fooled into eating a shitload more mash is that the latter is a damn site more tender and a whole lot more of a plate filler.

Consider it more from a business perspective than an ethical one. If the investment pays back better than current non-organic model then it's got to be worth the consideration. There is a push in Hawkes Bay to be more organic with our food crops and I'm interested. My interest is more from a value added perspective than a lifestyle one though.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Consider it more from a business perspective than an ethical one. If the investment pays back better than current non-organic model then it's got to be worth the consideration. There is a push in Hawkes Bay to be more organic with our food crops and I'm interested. My interest is more from a value added perspective than a lifestyle one though.

KJ I totally get the whole business perspective and lift hats off to anyone who can sell a two dollar turnip for ten dollars. Back in the nineties I made a lot of money taking a service that every competitor sold for seven bucks a week while I sold the self same thing to customers at twenty eight bucks per week simply by promoting it as the best service available. That said, I still think that the whole "organic" thing is a crock of crap and I believe that most of the people that buy organic whatever's do so because it is a trendy thing to do and they couldn't tell the difference between two steaks or two glasses of milk in a blind test. What really shits me is the converts are worse than a reformed smoker or a born again religious fanatic when they start preaching the benefits and the truth be known they know jack shit about it. Fuck mate you got me ranting. Steady Rushy it really isn't that important. Ha ha ha ha

Originally Posted by Rushy

KJ I totally get the whole business perspective and lift hats off to anyone who can sell a two dollar turnip for ten dollars. Back in the nineties I made a lot of money taking a service that every competitor sold for seven bucks a week while I sold the self same thing to customers at twenty eight bucks per week simply by promoting it as the best service available. That said, I still think that the whole "organic" thing is a crock of crap and I believe that most of the people that buy organic whatever's do so because it is a trendy thing to do and they couldn't tell the difference between two steaks or two glasses of milk in a blind test. What really shits me is the converts are worse than a reformed smoker or a born again religious fanatic when they start preaching the benefits and the truth be known they know jack shit about it. Fuck mate you got me ranting. Steady Rushy it really isn't that important. Ha ha ha ha

Take a few deep breaths boss and maybe a Waikato or two. You'll be right.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Take a few deep breaths boss and maybe a Waikato or two. You'll be right.

Of course. A beer is exactly what I need.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Consider it more from a business perspective than an ethical one. If the investment pays back better than current non-organic model then it's got to be worth the consideration. There is a push in Hawkes Bay to be more organic with our food crops and I'm interested. My interest is more from a value added perspective than a lifestyle one though.

I think most dairy farmers in NZ pondered converting to organics after the recent announcement. However, it take 3 years of 'farming organically' before you are 'certified organic' and recieve the $9/kgms. Fonterra will pay you a little bit extra during the process. Unfortunately, to become organic you typically have to reduce your milk production by about 1/3, some costs will reduce but not enough to make up for the drop in production. (Most farmers will not have the cash reserves to fund this) Then........you finally achieve 'certified organic status', only to find that conventional milk prices have recovered and organic milk supply has increased and we are back to a $1.50/KgMS premium (not worth it)

Originally Posted by Rich007

I think most dairy farmers in NZ pondered converting to organics after the recent announcement. However, it take 3 years of 'farming organically' before you are 'certified organic' and recieve the $9/kgms. Fonterra will pay you a little bit extra during the process. Unfortunately, to become organic you typically have to reduce your milk production by about 1/3, some costs will reduce but not enough to make up for the drop in production. (Most farmers will not have the cash reserves to fund this) Then........you finally achieve 'certified organic status', only to find that conventional milk prices have recovered and organic milk supply has increased and we are back to a $1.50/KgMS premium (not worth it)

So some of these cockies would have a chance to stop with the over stocking? As for milk recovering, we'll see. By the time it does councils or more importantly the public will be playing mary hell with the cockies over water...

I shoot organic spots, they don't want pure copper as that is a bigger contaminator than lead.

Organic itself, sweet money maker and the market is only going to get bigger. Faster. Just think dairy farms that aren't killing the country by having half the stock numbers but earning the same..... Silly not to.

Slightly off topic but if anyone's interested im the organic vs non organic food etc from a health/diet perspective, read The Omnivores Dilemma from Michael Pollan. Great read.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I like to think our meat is great eating, we don't drench ewes, Bulls only get one drench, never had a vet on the farm, but we ain't organic, we need fert and I hate weeds.
The current milk price is $5.65 for organic milk and even the big guys aren't profitable at that just to put it in perspective for you guys. @Dundee would be loving $5.65


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This is actually a niche opportunity our ammunition manufacturers should get wise to; they certainly did re steel shot for example. Whilst rim fire manufacturers would argue the economics I bet there's a centre fire possibility.....

Originally Posted by SiB

This is actually a niche opportunity our ammunition manufacturers should get wise to; they certainly did re steel shot for example. Whilst rim fire manufacturers would argue the economics I bet there's a centre fire possibility.....

You not heard of a potato gun

My laser cannon is on the workbench as we speak but the neighbours seem to object to the brown out the power supply causes. Yes brown out. Google it you grubby gigglers