Thread: Organic farm

Having a rum, so the left/right/back/front, what ever side/area of brain that's responsible for random thoughts are well primed.

Cement projectile in a wax sabot.
Oz hardwood (heavy and dense) - actually might give this a go myself.....
Small, maybe sieved local stones in a wax matrix/sabot.
cotton cloth, wound into cartridge then wax over top/through



No real ideas for a centerfire/rimfire though....

Also full support for the financial side of organics. Not 100% sold on the benefits to the consumer, but can appreciate the perceived benefits (and some do definitely taste much better). 100% against the ram down throat, hairy, unwashed, no understanding of world/local/tribe economics type folk that seem to push organics

Crushed up iron stone or screened ironstone mite get close

Pepper corns in a shotgun shell. Game will come pre seasoned.

Originally Posted by gadgetman

Pepper corns in a shotgun shell. Game will come pre seasoned.

No no no no. I rooted a SKB U/O doing this. Not enough weight had a wad stuck halfway and the next bulged the barrel.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

No no no no. I rooted a SKB U/O doing this. Not enough weight had a wad stuck halfway and the next bulged the barrel.

Not sure how the lack of weight would cause the wad to be stuck. The pepper corns should go out in front of the wad, then the powder pushes the lot out. Maybe add salt and other spices to taste?

Originally Posted by gadgetman

Not sure how the lack of weight would cause the wad to be stuck. The pepper corns should go out in front of the wad, then the powder pushes the lot out. Maybe add salt and other spices to taste?

Was a long while ago and thinking about it now I'm unsure of the logic but I do know for sure the barrel is toast with a nice big bulge.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Was a long while ago and thinking about it now I'm unsure of the logic but I do know for sure the barrel is toast with a nice big bulge.

Maybe forgot the powder bit? Primer didn't have enough juice to push it through.

Note: I've never done this and hadn't heard of anyone doing it before @kiwijames.

Rock salt , pepper corns, with a few chilli flakes all mixed with melted butter to form a solid.... Like the idea!

Originally Posted by kiwijames

No no no no. I rooted a SKB U/O doing this. Not enough weight had a wad stuck halfway and the next bulged the barrel.

Made some confetti loads for a stag do event once, tried them first luckily. Mild pop confetti out the end wad hanging out end of barrel, barrel full of unburnt powder
Not enough resistance to get the pressure up to make the smokeless powder burn. Made up some bp blanks instead much more fun.

Yea you need the weight, if you remove an OZ of lead you need to get a substitute, of the same weight or at least close,
wax and iron stone said above, mostly its waste of time, but its fun to play with shotguns and load up blanks,
what else is natural and dense, and small enough to blast out a 12 bore. sum types of seeds I bet.
lime is heavy, wonder if you can make lime and iron sand pellets, like buck shot, perhaps bake them hard, like concrete,

You guys are nuts. Just hit the little fuckers with a big "organic" stick.

Originally Posted by Rushy

You guys are nuts. Just hit the little fuckers with a big "organic" stick.

Of course we're nuts @Rushy. Life is far to short to be boring and normal, ... so they tell me anyway.

Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog

You can get lead free air gun pellets, not sure exactly what they are though

they are called PBA pellets (Performance Ballistic Alloy) they are very light and shoot very fast. but they are made by Gamo so they are crap. they are too light to do any real damage and they have been known to damage the internals of your gun (springer) because it is almost like dry firing the gun when shooting them.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Consider it more from a business perspective than an ethical one. If the investment pays back better than current non-organic model then it's got to be worth the consideration. There is a push in Hawkes Bay to be more organic with our food crops and I'm interested. My interest is more from a value added perspective than a lifestyle one though.

I think most dairy farmers in NZ pondered converting to organics after the recent announcement. However, it take 3 years of 'farming organically' before you are 'certified organic' and recieve the $9/kgms. Fonterra will pay you a little bit extra during the process. Unfortunately, to become organic you typically have to reduce your milk production by about 1/3, some costs will reduce but not enough to make up for the drop in production. (Most farmers will not have the cash reserves to fund this) Then........you finally achieve 'certified organic status', only to find that conventional milk prices have recovered and organic milk supply has increased and we are back to a $1.50/KgMS premium (not worth it)