Thread: Stingers and old Toz rifles

Originally Posted by csmiffy

Thanks veitnamcam but now you've confused me-so there is two subsonic loads as well as two powerpoints?

yes, or at least there was?
I am not doin a whole lot of shooting at the mo.

yip 40 or 42grn....the 42grn in league of its own and my norinco loves them both.

My jw15 shoots velocitor into half inch @50m,42g subs a round an inch,might be worth a try instead of the stingers.

winchester powerpoint&rabbit ammo are well up my favourites list .in my first stirling .22 they accounted for many possums and quite a few rabbits and hairs .on possums they were in a word spectacular.damage done was mind boggling ,and nup no trip to A&E required.mind you that was my pre subs era -but even the subs are as wicked too.

I've found my Toz rifle in the OP to shoot Mini Mags very well indeed, put five rounds into an inch at 100 m last week just checking the open sights.
Still havn't tried Stingers in it actually.

Maybe I still might - in the last couple of days at my range I have jumped rabbits and now also a bloody pig...missed the bugger dammit. All very well to make a five shot one inch group on paper at 100 metres, but offhand at a pig at 50 metres and I missed him clean...

side note ..any ideas why they put a bell on the end of the barrel in early models ..?

bazz61-to stop your hand falling off....
actually seriously that is a good question. they had quite a tall front sight so maybe something to do with levelling front and rear sight?

Originally Posted by bazz61

side note ..any ideas why they put a bell on the end of the barrel in early models ..?

I dont know if there is any truth to it, but someone mentioned about the smallest size their barrel turning gear could grip at the end.....Made for bigger things?

Flash eliminator????-Paulus Manders threaded mine internally ,made up an insert whose protruding end was threaded for the suppressor.
front sight-fuck me stuck up like a 6"nail and about as sharp.
i took the open sights off mine -now in amongst my spares ,though with emptying my shed as we go into section subdivision and an new hoose,god only knows when ill get round to sorting that lot out.

yeah @kotoku. That nail like front sight is what I remember-that's why I thought it had something to do with the sight plane with the rear sight.

Originally Posted by viper

Found both Stingers and YellowJackets are all about speed and noise, probably ok out to 50 mtrs but not a load that generally were accurate, at that stage of the .22 ammo game it was all about FPS.
The mini mag is a good round it your rifle shoots it well, plenty of punch and the projectile does the business. See how the Toz runs a sub sonic round..... kills just as well.

yellow jackets are damn filthy ammo. ok in bolts horrid in semi's unless you enjoy cleaning them. stingers are good as is most cci ammo. the fragmented hollowpoints are great on rabbits but hare takes more penetration and less expansion (no not a freudian slip there gadgetman)

Originally Posted by bazz61

side note ..any ideas why they put a bell on the end of the barrel in early models ..?

They were originally made for use by trappers in Siberia. The bell and large muzzle recess provided some barrel protection from being blocked with snow, mud, etc. It also provided a convenient base for the tall front sight (needed to match the elaborate tangent rear sight). They were designed to be primarily used with iron sights, most affordable (for Siberian trappers) scopes being to fragile for the harsh conditions.

Originally Posted by gundoc

They were originally made for use by trappers in Siberia. The bell and large muzzle recess provided some barrel protection from being blocked with snow, mud, etc. It also provided a convenient base for the tall front sight (needed to match the elaborate tangent rear sight). They were designed to be primarily used with iron sights, most affordable (for Siberian trappers) scopes being to fragile for the harsh conditions.

thanks again to GUNDOC for comin through with the info-walking encyclopaedia that man.cheers
needless to say my toz is livin up to its rugged reputation ,these days in the hands of GSPF-whom it has to be said is rather bloody deadly with it!

brought mine from gun city on a sale one day as it was the cheapest .22 they had $150 was like brand new id say very few round have been through it had a 20x4 scope on it its a real tack driver.