Thread: thermal for hunting light shy rabbits and hares ?

Originally Posted by quentin

Here's the one she sent me with the most detail.
https://shooting-nz.s3.ap-southeast-...%20%281%29.pdf

And a summary one from it's use in Australia.
Pindone Rabbit-Baiting: Secondary Poisoning of Wildlife

And there were a few more printed out too.

Interesting reading
I do find having 1080 and Pindone in the same report somewhat surprising
Again I may be misled - but those 2 poisons are so different in all aspects

This conclusion in this report is similar to my belief - yes a wild hungry scavenging Dog - could eventually circum to Pindone poison
But a domestic animal or farmed animal - I very much doubt
But the poison is not only confined to the gut as I thought - liver and other fattie tissue zones also - but I doubt in amounts that would worry again "domestic" stock/animals

This said in LandCare report - I will stick with

"The estimated high secondary risk to dogs from feeding on gut contents, liver and/or fat of
pindone poisoned rabbits is supported by research showing mortality of dogs fed over
multiple days on the carcasses that had died of pindone poisoning.
While we found no confirmed instances of pindone poisoning in New Zealand dogs, there are numerous reports of anticoagulant poisoning and
successful veterinary treatment in domestic dogs where clinical differentiation of the
causative anticoagulant compound (including rodenticides) and confirmation of the exposure
source was not undertaken. Thus instances of secondary pindone poisoning in dogs,
particularly in farm dogs with access to rabbit carcasses, cannot be discounted"

Originally Posted by Sarvo

Interesting reading
I do find having 1080 and Pindone in the same report somewhat surprising
Again I may be misled - but those 2 poisons are so different in all aspects

This conclusion in this report is similar to my belief - yes a wild hungry scavenging Dog - could eventually circum to Pindone poison
But a domestic animal or farmed animal - I very much doubt
But the poison is not only confined to the gut as I thought - liver and other fattie tissue zones also - but I doubt in amounts that would worry again "domestic" stock/animals

This said in LandCare report - I will stick with

"The estimated high secondary risk to dogs from feeding on gut contents, liver and/or fat of
pindone poisoned rabbits is supported by research showing mortality of dogs fed over
multiple days on the carcasses that had died of pindone poisoning.
While we found no confirmed instances of pindone poisoning in New Zealand dogs, there are numerous reports of anticoagulant poisoning and
successful veterinary treatment in domestic dogs where clinical differentiation of the
causative anticoagulant compound (including rodenticides) and confirmation of the exposure
source was not undertaken. Thus instances of secondary pindone poisoning in dogs,
particularly in farm dogs with access to rabbit carcasses, cannot be discounted"

You forgot to highlight the finding.

Originally Posted by quentin

You forgot to highlight the finding.

That's not a "finding" its an assumption/suspicion
Bit like a USA Democrat on collisions/Quid pro quo's etc - all conjecture and spin

I use this Pindone/Pest-off weekly
Have done for many years.
I have dogs
Surrounded by pet owners

Think I once killed an old skinny hungry wild Sow
Cant even kill the bloody Weka's which are a confounded nuisance

The rabbit pindone pellets need about 20 in total. The theory is that 2 feeds over a few days of 20 pellets is better than on big feed. This as been tested and a longer feeding time produced a better kill rate. Because the rabbit does not get sick immediately it will not be posien shy after a first feed and likley to keep feeding as long as the pellets are available. I would generally spread up to a minimum of 3 times. About 4 day intervals. Very good results can be obtained if every rabbit gets its fill, so dont be too tight on the amounts. Im told the 1st feed will be scoffed by the bucks and bigger rabbits so the second feed should be generous. I just gauge how much Im going to put out depending on how much is left from the previous feed. Thats a good indicator. Fresh pellets are eaten more readily than pellets that have started to ''blow'' ..disintegrate.

just put the pellets out in set locations where you see them in a small pile/area
tie your dog up
pick up the dead rabbits
pick up the uneaten pellets

it is just a tool to be used when its the best option
boo poison is just retarded