Thread: 1080 drops and how effective is the deer repellant

Thanks scribe for that . A question ? Was the public made aware of that mass kill of kea . To be honest first iv ever heard of it .

Originally Posted by Munsey

Thanks scribe for that . A question ? Was the public made aware of that mass kill of kea . To be honest first iv ever heard of it .

I believe it was first brought to the publics attention by "Dave Asher" South Coast Productions...They are the guys that make all those wonderful helicopter hunting videos ... The last great adventure... Arawhata Bill ... he said before the Haast /Fox drop the kea were a bloody nuisance filming up on the tussock, but after the drop they flew for hours just to find a small mob of kea to include in one of the films. The kea killing did appear in a local paper. that I know of because some of our West Coast Allies "F.A.T.E Farmers Against ten eighty" passed it on to us. Mike Bennet (The venison Hunters) also wrote an article on the killing of the kea.

Some DOC personal said they were unaware that 1080 killed kea...But the first 1080 line that Bill Axbey (In charge of the Southern Lakes District) laid when he inspected it had hundreds of dead birds on it including many many dead kea. Now Bill never used 1080 again and wrote many reports on how 1080 was devastating the native bird population particularly kea.

We all knew 1080 killed kea and DOC didnt????

Originally Posted by Wildman

Scribe you could also put drinking and smokes in that same category I'd say. As well as having your cell phone in your pocket, having a bad diet and god knows what else. I'm not saying 1080 wont kill you if you eat it but if you truly want to understand what it is and how it works then you need to get past the emotive stuff that people like the Graff boys put forward. The reality is that it is a poison and as such is a tool. How that tool is used is the contentious part... 1080 unfortunately is especially effective at killing dogs, you need a much smaller dose to kill a dog than you do a possum. They have used it Aussie to control foxes and the like... Relatively, it isn't that toxic to birds as it is to mammals, hence why we use in so much in NZ. We have no native mammals that are of by-catch concern. Also go and compare the accumulation and break down rates with other poisons such as Brodi and you will see it 1080 aint so bad...

I thought this speech was familiar except for the cell phone bit ...Damned if I dont remember someone giving us the same sort speech after the Hercules passed over the top of us spraying agent orange and we all said what the fuck was that.

Originally Posted by Scribe

Damned if I dont remember someone giving us the same sort speech after the Hercules passed over the top of us spraying agent orange and we all said what the fuck was that.

And I bet that more people said "I dunno but grab a bar of soap and have a shower" than said "It's a toxic defoliant that will have a nasty lasting impact on you and your families". Although the circumstances were entirely different, there are many parallels Scribe.

Originally Posted by Wildman

When you go into things like sperm counts and the like you are doing it to scare people. You need to put things in a wider perspective. Its sounds like you have first hand experience then, as do I, and you will note that I didn't say that it doesn't kill native animals. However it is the best tool we have at the moment to control possums over a large area bar none. I agree we can do better but that is a process ...

Still doesn't make it a humane killer or safe in our environment, Its like saying nucular weapons are the best tool for winning a war.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

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Still doesn't make it a humane killer or safe in our environment, Its like saying nucular weapons are the best tool for winning a war.

+1

We live in a place that believe in 'innocent until proven guilty'...so why is 'poison until we find an alternative' okay? You can't un-torture animals..

BTW Wildman I think you have made some very valid points earlier, about how people may percieve the fight.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

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Still doesn't make it a humane killer or safe in our environment, Its like saying nucular weapons are the best tool for winning a war.

That's it in a nutshell. Besides which, it's not the only way of killing possums, ground laidf 1080 avoids most of the problems, it's just that they won't pay the extra money.

Originally Posted by Wildman

Scribe you could also put drinking and smokes in that same category I'd say. As well as having your cell phone in your pocket, having a bad diet and god knows what else. I'm not saying 1080 wont kill you if you eat it but if you truly want to understand what it is and how it works then you need to get past the emotive stuff that people like the Graff boys put forward. The reality is that it is a poison and as such is a tool. How that tool is used is the contentious part... 1080 unfortunately is especially effective at killing dogs, you need a much smaller dose to kill a dog than you do a possum. They have used it Aussie to control foxes and the like... Relatively, it isn't that toxic to birds as it is to mammals, hence why we use in so much in NZ. We have no native mammals that are of by-catch concern. Also go and compare the accumulation and break down rates with other poisons such as Brodi and you will see it 1080 aint so bad...

Good work wildman. It's time we stopped looking like simpletons. grafs lost my support when they put that story in R&R or outdoor with what to do when a dogs poisoned and told people to stuff tobacco in it's mouth and cut it's tail off. Good guys but if that's their idea of vet care, then they're hypocrites on the animals cruelty thing. Nice guys though. Shame the vid was just emotive propaganda.

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Good work wildman. It's time we stopped looking like simpletons. grafs lost my support when they put that story in R&R or outdoor with what to do when a dogs poisoned and told people to stuff tobacco in it's mouth and cut it's tail off. Good guys but if that's their idea of vet care, then they're hypocrites on the animals cruelty thing. Nice guys though. Shame the vid was just emotive propaganda.

This is an old bushman cure to induce vomitting and bleed and animal and I have heard it said these methods have saved dog lives.

A wise man knows if a dog shows symptoms of 1080 poisoning out in the bush you are not going to get it to the vet in time to save it.

The truth and what happens in real life is often emotive. Cruelty is an emotive subject and impossible to present in any other way.

Originally Posted by Jemm009

Hi guys, Im new to the site so any help would be appreciated.

Looking at doing a deer hunting trip in the Kaimanawas along Clements Mill Rd however there has been a 1080 drop in this area.

I have emailed DOC about the issue but they werent very helpful and basically said that the 1080 is covered in deer repellant meaning the deer wont eat it - this apparently reduces the level of deer "by-kill" but not completely elimiate it so you are basically eating at your own risk.

Ive heard you can tell if a deer has eaten it by the colour of its insides etc but im not sure if its worth the trip down from Auckland if we are unable to eat anything we kill

Does anyone know more about this issue?

Cheers

Welcome to the site mate check out TV Wild :: Home that will give you an idea what that shit does to deer. repellant whats that they probably use a attractant knowing them. if doc has just done a drop it will be closed for 4-6 months before you can take meat out of there i think. well that will be the case when they drop it at my back door.