Thread: 223 on deer

Nice eatter there Nathan,good shooting.

Fat as butter yum

Greetings,
The number of deer being smoked by you chaps with the .223 leaves me wondering if there are any left for the other calibres. Perhaps we should be recommending the .223 as a starter rifle with .308 as a back up choice. Both would be ideal of course.
GPM.

I saw two very fat Sika velvetys on ihaka spur as the sun rose this morning, that fat one slip and I think they would roll all the way to Kaweka Flats bivvy

It’s a fantastic feed year for Sika

Originally Posted by Nathan F

69gn tmk broadside 100 yds right on dark didn’t stand a chance
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What a ball that mini-me is having out with Dad. Looks so happy.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings,
The number of deer being smoked by you chaps with the .223 leaves me wondering if there are any left for the other calibres. Perhaps we should be recommending the .223 as a starter rifle with .308 as a back up choice. Both would be ideal of course.
GPM.

Kiwi Greg's post on the Creedmoor he made was very interesting. Certain death. The stats on the 22 Creedmoor are mind boggling.

Originally Posted by 7mmsaum

I saw two very fat Sika velvetys on ihaka spur as the sun rose this morning, that fat one slip and I think they would roll all the way to Kaweka Flats bivvy

It’s a fantastic feed year for Sika

In the hut book at Maropea Forks in 1974 Chris Satherley was bemoaning an entry by Jim Warren about his river trip form Otukota to Maropea Forks as Warren had commented he had seen 9 deer and had taken some nice fotos of animals he had seen. . Warren had established a reputation of excellent photography skills. Satherley was compaining how many deer he had actually shot.Warren got some very high tallies. Met both Warren and Satherley at Mokai Base hut in december 1975.

Originally Posted by TeRei

In the hut book at Maropea Forks in 1974 Chris Satherley was bemoaning an entry by Jim Warren about his river trip form Otukota to Maropea Forks as Warren had commented he had seen 9 deer and had taken some nice fotos of animals he had seen. . Warren had established a reputation of excellent photography skills. Satherley was compaining how many deer he had actually shot.Warren got some very high tallies. Met both Warren and Satherley at Mokai Base hut in december 1975.

I had the pleasure of hunting with Jim in the Ruahines early in my hunting career maybe 15 years ago, at the time I didn't know of his reputation and of course he didn't say much about it either. After reading books about the old days it started to add up and I certainly learnt a thing or two that day. He certainly knew where to find the deer

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Has anyone had any experience with Hornady Black 75gr on deer I would be very interested in the results/ feedback.
Cheers

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Originally Posted by Bergara_bangstick

Has anyone had any experience with Hornady Black 75gr on deer I would be very interested in the results/ feedback.
Cheers

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I haven't used these pills in particular, but i have used other 77gr BTHP pills in .223. They will have inconsistent results expansion wise, they might 'pencil' through if you dont hit bone. You could drill the tips with a 1.5-2mm sized bit to improve the reliability to expand. Either way they'll be poor at bush ranges, exploding if they hit brush etc.
They will definitely kill deer , but there are better pills out there to use.

Originally Posted by Roarless20

I haven't used these pills in particular, but i have used other 77gr BTHP pills in .223. They will have inconsistent results expansion wise, they might 'pencil' through if you dont hit bone. You could drill the tips with a 1.5-2mm sized bit to improve the reliability to expand. Either way they'll be poor at bush ranges, exploding if they hit brush etc.
They will definitely kill deer , but there are better pills out there to use.

Dont tell me about it ...Berger 95gr. Straight thru stags.Opened the tip. Made no difference. Very accurate but dont expand.

Originally Posted by Roarless20

I haven't used these pills in particular, but i have used other 77gr BTHP pills in .223. They will have inconsistent results expansion wise, they might 'pencil' through if you dont hit bone. You could drill the tips with a 1.5-2mm sized bit to improve the reliability to expand. Either way they'll be poor at bush ranges, exploding if they hit brush etc.
They will definitely kill deer , but there are better pills out there to use.

Thanks mate duly noted

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@199p Thanks for put up a link to Podcast 35 Bullet Ballistics. I've listened to it once, but need to listen again to try and retain more information. There is a lot of information! Interesting bit about how far under the skin a bullet expands.

From memory I recall you put up a second link (might have been the same link, one for YouTube, one for Apple) could you please epluy to this with the second link?

Cheers,

Hugh

Originally Posted by Hugh Shields

@199p Thanks for put up a link to Podcast 35 Bullet Ballistics. I've listened to it once, but need to listen again to try and retain more information. There is a lot of information! Interesting bit about how far under the skin a bullet expands.

From memory I recall you put up a second link (might have been the same link, one for YouTube, one for Apple) could you please epluy to this with the second link?

Cheers,

Hugh

Hey Hugh yes it is full of great information that shows what most people already know and goes into depth debunking some myths and giving reason why some bullets dont perform as well as others.

1st deer I seen that ran off was shot with a barns ttsx and this podcast explains why that would have happened as it was a great shot.
The owner sold that rifle the next day in disgust.

I have linked this podcast a few times for those who want to learn about terminal ballistics in a well-explained way.

77 grn Tipped Match King last evening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSr8yArHaFk