Thread: 223 on deer

Originally Posted by Hugy2023

Gees Roarless20 whoever taught you to hunt must have been a mighty good hunter.

Yep, but that 'mighty good hunter' should have come on this hunt with his granddaughter instead of watching the football final... Then she could be taught the same.
Next time ay granddad? You'll have to start a '.222 on deer' thread then.

Originally Posted by Roarless20

Next time ay granddad? You'll have to start a '.222 on deer' thread then.

oh yes please a great idea.

Love this thread,
An 88 gr 224 projectile has a SD of .251, middle of the road.
A 165 gr 30 cal is .248,
That's middle of the road.
There's going to be a vast horde of hunters switching from their 30 cal to the little 224, all for no gain.
So the secret is to learn to shoot effectively.
But it's just one of those day, ignore me.

Originally Posted by SmokeyJason

Love this thread,
An 88 gr 224 projectile has a SD of .251, middle of the road.
A 165 gr 30 cal is .248,
That's middle of the road.
There's going to be a vast horde of hunters switching from their 30 cal to the little 224, all for no gain.
So the secret is to learn to shoot effectively.
But it's just one of those day, ignore me.

It's the BC, cost per round, and shootability, not the SD

Originally Posted by SmokeyJason

Love this thread,
An 88 gr 224 projectile has a SD of .251, middle of the road.
A 165 gr 30 cal is .248,
That's middle of the road.
There's going to be a vast horde of hunters switching from their 30 cal to the little 224, all for no gain.
So the secret is to learn to shoot effectively.
But it's just one of those day, ignore me.

There’s a lot to be gained (well lost really) going from .308 to .224.
Just had a rifle re-barrelled to 22 creedmoor which with 88’s will drift 20% less than a 178gr .308 load, and recoil 50% less whilst doing it. My .223 drifts the same as the .308 load, with 80gr bullets.
If wanting to spot your own shots, and follow up, then there’s no argument. The right bullet in a .224 creates so much damage, that larger isn’t required. If you optimised your ‘anything bigger’ cartridge for killing by putting the same type of projectile in it, most people would complain about the excessive meat wastage.

Gain:
Easy (and better shooting)
Cheap, which means more practice, and therefore
Higher hit rates in the feild.

I wonder if advances in bullet construction have sorta rendered SD a bit obsolete, I don't recall much discussion on DS in the last 20 years . . . .

The 75eldm's are pretty violent on high speed impact, would have been about 3000fps impact velocity

I have just seen a huge Tuai stag shot by a 12yr old boy using a 308.It is a monster. Huge well conditioned stag still with a very heavy skin. The father is a chopper shooter and mentioned to my mate who sent me the foto that it need a heavy pill to get it at 300m and stop it in its tracks.

Took out my .223 for it's first proper outing in the weekend.
Howa mini .223. 69gn Targex. Arken zulus scope. Wouldn't have mattered what calibre I used.

Originally Posted by Makros

Took out my .223 for it's first proper outing in the weekend.
Howa mini .223. 69gn Targex. Arken zulus scope. Wouldn't have mattered what calibre I used.

Good. No suppressor?

Originally Posted by Tahr

Good. No suppressor?

It has a suppressor, 18" barrel, Hardy suppressor. I think the ports at the end of the Hardy's create a lot more muzzle flash than the DPTs or similar. Just as quiet as my DPT suppressors. Wouldn't hunt without a suppressor.
Weighs just on 3.1kg as it sits there.

Originally Posted by Makros

It has a suppressor, 18" barrel, Hardy suppressor. I think the ports at the end of the Hardy's create a lot more muzzle flash than the DPTs or similar. Just as quiet as my DPT suppressors. Wouldn't hunt without a suppressor.
Weighs just on 3.1kg as it sits there.
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Interesting. With my DPT and the standard length Tikka barrel the shot is lot quieter on my Zulus vids. My muzzle flash looks similar.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Interesting. With my DPT and the standard length Tikka barrel the shot is lot quieter on my Zulus vids. My muzzle flash looks similar.

Shorter barrel will produce quite a bit more noise. Can't see it in the video (20x magnification) but I was shooting through a pretty tight gap between several large trees. Like shooting into a closeby bank or close quarters in the bush you do tend to get much more sound bounced back at you.
Will be interesting to see once I film a shot shooting out into the open whether it's similar.

Sika vs 75gr eldm yesterday. Amazing the expansion even with a low muzzle velocity. At 20 odd yards no part of the bullet exited her head.

Still kicking by the looks….