Thread: 223 on deer

Those 80ELDM have a very high opinion of themselves already without them hearing stuff about being compared to lightening.

Ill stress, this is observation, and not intended in a negative manor. I use a similar shot choice, and have done for 20+ years. I just dont get the running. Except for the last shot I fired which was an approx 300gr projectile at low velocity.

The wound channel looked remarkably similar however.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

Yes and I grew up around chap who spent a few years in a camp called Changi....had grandfather on Crete etc. But making comment like that was bad form,bad taste. War makes monsters of us all. We are now generations past that horror.we don't ever need to forget it but no need to pick scab of festering wound either. Struck like lightening would be much more appropriate,don't you think??

I got struck by lightening a few weeks back, it was an experience thats for sure!

Faarrkkk - finally I get in on this thread, My Dad was in "J Force" and visited both the A bombed cities. It made a big impression on him. AND I saw him get struck by lightning one time when I was a kid, it flowed down over his umbrella and through the steel d9g kennels (he was putting the dogs away). The only casualty was the umbrella!

Originally Posted by whanahuia

Ill stress, this is observation, and not intended in a negative manor. I use a similar shot choice, and have done for 20+ years. I just dont get the running. Except for the last shot I fired which was an approx 300gr projectile at low velocity.

The wound channel looked remarkably similar however.

Nice try. But you are not part of the gang unless you use “lightning” and “.223” in the same sentence.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Nice try. But you are not part of the gang unless you use “lightning” and “.223” in the same sentence.

How about.... "when I finished lightening my 270 it was a 223."


(and no longer the worst caliber known to man)

Originally Posted by Tahr

Nice try. But you are not part of the gang unless you use “lightning” and “.223” in the same sentence.

This 223 thread has been en-lightening?

The 223 might hit like lightening, but the 270 hits like an earthquake?

Originally Posted by whanahuia

This 223 thread has been en-lightening?

The 223 might hit like lightening, but the 270 hits like an earthquake?

But don't mention the war.

My partners german. The only time I mention the war is when I ask her what she's sinking?

Originally Posted by whanahuia

My partners german. The only time I mention the war is when I ask her what she's sinking?

As the German watch maker said to the broken grandfather clock..."Ve know how to make you tock"

Using the .223 on deer can only be described with a feast of epic metaphor.

A deer struck by a .30-06 must be a nuclear holocaust or a black hole imploding. Impossible to imagine.

Back on track. Went on a Deerstalkers Ungulate control shoot in Upper Spray, Marlborough. Weren’t high animal numbers as it turned out. I used Belmont Black 55 gr ammo mostly, shooting out to 300m. 2 yearlings shot @ 50 and 40m didn’t give a toss that that’s what killed them. Same for 8 goats and 3 pigs. I did however shoot 2 goats at 474m, 24 degrees uphill angle using my 73 eldm load. Took a couple of shots to get drift right but got 2 clean kills so happy enough with result. I’ve spent range time out to 600 yards so know my drops pretty well. The ELDM’s certainly work at range but good old Speer 55gr SP’s also get the job done.Shot from above, front on, through spine. Neck shot at 50m, moving right to left at fast trot. Both dropped on the spot.

+1 for the speer 70gr semi Spitzer, I usually don't locate the projectile but this one was found just bulging through the skin on opposite side and I'm pretty pleased with this balance of penetration and expansion. Bog standard engine room shot through the shoulder, dropped where he stood.

That 70 grn pill looks impressive and it obviously did a good job.
Is that though what kills stuff best?
Ive trended towards more frangible bullets over the last few years - ones' that look a bit messy and sharp edged and are about half their weight when you retrieve them. Mostly the lead has separated from the jacket. They seem to wreck and plunder the insides better than harder projectiles.

Originally Posted by Tahr

That 70 grn pill looks impressive and it obviously did a good job.
Is that though what kills stuff best?
Ive trended towards more frangible bullets over the last few years - ones' that look a bit messy and sharp edged and are about half their weight when you retrieve them. Mostly the lead has separated from the jacket. They seem to wreck and plunder the insides better than harder projectiles.

Isn't that ironic??? When read in conjunction with your other post how most of your "less than ideal" results this year we're with 257 using mono projectiles... You simply cannot make an omlet without breaking eggs. More damage = faster killing. But more damage is more damage/less edibles. Be interesting to see how you go with NBT. With everything else the same. I suggest the 257 Bob will be completely different beast in dramatic fashion.