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    Yes, you need a scope. Even a low power give for much better target ID and shooting early mornings and on dark.
    Iron sights under less than perfect conditions are a compromise.


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    Fuck! I might be too old and cynical but with the animal numbers that are roaming the countryside theses days if you can’t get an animal with open sights maybe you should find another hobby. If you can’t identify what you’re aiming at with your naked eye you probably shouldn’t be taking the shot. I know there are a lot of heroes out there that go for mid to long range shots but you only hear about the good results. The reality is that most animals are taken under 200 metre range, often under 100 m. And there’s still more animals been taken with open sight 303’s, 222’s, 270’s etc than get taken per annum with all the flash shit we have available these days. I may be wrong but there’s probably a few ‘old timers’ out there thinking the same. Bye the bye, I’m only a young whipper-snapper at 63.
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    My first BRNO .222 circa 1968 relied on the pop up peep sight for its first year or so no problem. I could head shoot rabbits to a handy range and I dont recall having any trouble knocking over deer. Then it got a real flash harry Niko Stirling on it. Post reticle as thick as your thumb.
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    You certainly don't "need" a scope.
    A large peep is good.

    But a 223 does its best work with a scope.
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    3-9×40 are options.
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    Thank you all for the inputs. I did few hunting in NZ, and I do `t really think I am a sniper material, a rifle man maybe. When I was in college I spent some time in inner Mongolia for two seasons. Waterfowl, rabbit hunting, chase deer like of goats at the boarder, and hunt wolfs to protect sheep. Those farmers have variety of rifles, Russian ones and Japs. Me, I prefer the the ww2 Japanese Arisaka type 38. with the iron sight, I can shoot very accurately even back then I do `t have any knowledge about firearms. Thus, I like to confirm this with you 223 expert, if it `s doable without scope to knock down animal with 223 within 300 yards. I get good eye sight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woods223 View Post
    Fuck! I might be too old and cynical but with the animal numbers that are roaming the countryside theses days if you can’t get an animal with open sights maybe you should find another hobby. If you can’t identify what you’re aiming at with your naked eye you probably shouldn’t be taking the shot. I know there are a lot of heroes out there that go for mid to long range shots but you only hear about the good results. The reality is that most animals are taken under 200 metre range, often under 100 m. And there’s still more animals been taken with open sight 303’s, 222’s, 270’s etc than get taken per annum with all the flash shit we have available these days. I may be wrong but there’s probably a few ‘old timers’ out there thinking the same. Bye the bye, I’m only a young whipper-snapper at 63.
    Mmm nah, seethe same argument from people discounting the power of a thermal spotter. The more you can see, the better. Blaming a new tool for the user being incompetent is not it.

    How many deer/rabbit shaped rocks/tree stumps were shot up in the 'good old days'?

    As always the story gets bigger with every re-telling too, 'back in my day...!'
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    Man....I have finally admitted at 52 that four power is marginal for my eyes much past two hundy now..ok on a big red,bit too hard on anything smaller to place shots properly.
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    As someone who doesn't reload or know much about powders, projectiles etc and the dark arts of the subject, can someone tell me why the 223 ELD-M projectiles have such a small variance in weight between the 73, 75 and 80 gr?
    What would be the reason be? more so the 2 grain between the 73's and 75's
    Surely not enough gr difference to make a noticeable difference, or does it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9STAGS View Post
    As someone who doesn't reload or know much about powders, projectiles etc and the dark arts of the subject, can someone tell me why the 223 ELD-M projectiles have such a small variance in weight between the 73, 75 and 80 gr?
    What would be the reason be? more so the 2 grain between the 73's and 75's
    Surely not enough gr difference to make a noticeable difference, or does it.
    The 73grn is designed in its shape so that it fits and operates in a (short) 2.3" AR magazine.
    The 75 and 80 are longer and sleeker bullets and are options for fast twist guns with room in the magazine for them. By fast twist I mean the rate of rifling required to stabilise a long sleek barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9STAGS View Post
    As someone who doesn't reload or know much about powders, projectiles etc and the dark arts of the subject, can someone tell me why the 223 ELD-M projectiles have such a small variance in weight between the 73, 75 and 80 gr?
    What would be the reason be? more so the 2 grain between the 73's and 75's
    Surely not enough gr difference to make a noticeable difference, or does it.
    The 80 is an extension of the 75’s where the 73s are designed for use with standard 223 COAL. They have a different ogive than the other two and can generally be used with standard magazines etc

    The 75s and 80s have less drift and higher retained velocity due to better BC. That said the 73s are good for further than most should be shooting them.
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    Thank you for the replies Tahr and Hunter_Nick.
    Your explanations were a great help in understanding the how and why.
    The 73's luckily just fit into my vixen magazine even though they wont stabilize with my slow twist.
    Both your explanations also help me understand why some Tikka t3 owners are using Waters after market magazines.
    Cheers.
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    From the top pic: 100 yards standing - muffed shot (dog found it), 288 yards and 300 yard. All with the 62 grn Maker. 4 shots (hit the Red twice, one would have done it).
    The 300 yard one was with a clip on thermal on the way home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahr View Post
    The 73grn is designed in its shape so that it fits and operates in a (short) 2.3" AR magazine.
    The 75 and 80 are longer and sleeker bullets and are options for fast twist guns with room in the magazine for them. By fast twist I mean the rate of rifling required to stabilise a long sleek barrel.
    Iv spent my entire shooting life trying to stabilize my barrels.
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    The grass is looking very green in your above photos Tahr.
    Is there no drought in the area you hunt?
    Parts of the northern Waiarapa are very dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9STAGS View Post
    The grass is looking very green in your above photos Tahr.
    Is there no drought in the area you hunt?
    Parts of the northern Waiarapa are very dry.
    Fantastic spring. Best growing season ever. High, wet, micro climate area. Never gets really dry.
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