Thread: 223 on deer

Originally Posted by Tahr

Australia. Easy too import. Someone will know the name, or I will look it up in a week when I get home.

@300wsm for life - Waters is what you're looking for:

https://www.watersrifleman.com/

Originally Posted by Ben Waimata

With all this talk about .223 it makes me wonder, has anyone got any observations about differences (if any) in performance between .223 and 5.56x45?

Greetings Ben,
In a bolt action with handloads probably nothing at all. Almost the same case but with higher pressure in the 5.56mm. The tighter .223 chamber gives higher pressure with 5.56 ammunition and is not advisable for use.
GPM.

@Steelisreal thanks.

Hey Gimp are you still using the 80g ELDMs

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

to look at it ANOTHER way...when the trebly fist hit our hunting scene...it was an amazingly light rifle that was incredibly accurate compared to MOST other rifles around at the time....so folks who used them,learnt to pick shots or they ended up with wounded game and chucked rifle away in discust.... the chapter 222 the controversial one...penned by Philip Holden all those years ago still hold merit today...NOTHING has changed with animals,we have faster twist barrels allowing heavier projectiles which MIGHT give SLIGHTLY more margin for error...but its slightly....
the folks who used them and loved them ,got in close and picked the shot.....that much HASNT changed.

The diminutive culler in the NW Ruahines called Garry Sutton used to use a trebly but was forced to use a 270 because he said he lost too many deer and they got paid for by tails. Cullers in thne Ruahines were not given the choice of the 243. Either the 222, 270 or 308. Jim Warrren bought his own ammo to use a 243. Chris Satherley used a 222 and his sad tale of shooting himself in the foot is detailed in Holdens book. The distance Satherley had to crawl is hard to imagine if you have never been over the track. As Holden said it was a testament to his fitness.

Originally Posted by ozzyshane

Hey Gimp are you still using the 80g ELDMs

@gimp

Originally Posted by ozzyshane

Hey Gimp are you still using the 80g ELDMs

Yes, I would highly recommend them to anyone with a magazine/throat combo that allows loading them.

Originally Posted by TeRei

The diminutive culler in the NW Ruahines called Garry Sutton used to use a trebly but was forced to use a 270 because he said he lost too many deer and they got paid for by tails. Cullers in thne Ruahines were not given the choice of the 243. Either the 222, 270 or 308. Jim Warrren bought his own ammo to use a 243. Chris Satherley used a 222 and his sad tale of shooting himself in the foot is detailed in Holdens book. The distance Satherley had to crawl is hard to imagine if you have never been over the track. As Holden said it was a testament to his fitness.

@TeRei do you remember which book that’s in ?

Originally Posted by Nathan F

@TeRei do you remember which book that’s in ?

My error; Hunters and the Hunted by Graeme Sturgeon 'CHPT 2 pgs 21-24.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hun...3349454424.htm

Good little 223 package for someone

Originally Posted by TeRei

My error; Hunters and the Hunted by Graeme Sturgeon 'CHPT 2 pgs 21-24.

Thank you will have to find a copy

Originally Posted by Bushline

https://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hun...3349454424.htm

Good little 223 package for someone

Shame they're 1:12

223 at 30 yards tonight. 69 grn targex.

Originally Posted by Tahr

223 at 30 yards tonight. 69 grn targex.
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More details of shot?

Did the projectile deflect inside the carcass and exit in an erratic manner?

I hear that this is why a .224 projectile is very deadly all other things considered.

In neck and out shoulder. There was a bit of bullet in the back leg too. Don’t know what that was about.