Thread: Buller /Tasman biggest 1080 drop in history this spring

Originally Posted by mawzer308

But what really grinds my gears is when they say it is a humane killer. How can it be humane when death can take up to 12 hours!

We lost a dog to 1080, they'd dropped it way outside the area they said to be the boundary in the Tararuas, (ended up not far from the Parents farm) and that was horrible to see. Poor dog started charging around the house yelpinp and shortly after started having convulsions. He was put down to end it as soon as possible. It's horrible shit!

Originally Posted by Tahr

Because pests re-invade, and breed?

Yea but in the article it also said after the drop there monitors got 0 hits for rats,mice so from 0 to two years later how bad can it be !!!

An example:

A female rat can mate as many as 500 times with various males during a six-hour period of receptivity—a state she experiences about 15 times per year. Thus a pair of brown rats can produce as many as 2,000 descendants in a year if left to breed unchecked. (A rat matures sexually at age three to four months.)

Well that's a shit way to control them then if they have to dump 1080 on the place every 2 years it,l only be the rats that survive

Originally Posted by Tahr

An example:

A female rat can mate as many as 500 times with various males during a six-hour period of receptivity—a state she experiences about 15 times per year. Thus a pair of brown rats can produce as many as 2,000 descendants in a year if left to breed unchecked. (A rat matures sexually at age three to four months.)

How many times it can mate in 6hours is irrelevant. What matters is average litter size and gestation period.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

How many times it can mate in 6hours is irrelevant. What matters is average litter size and gestation period.

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I just thought that you would like the sex talk.

Poisoning the forest to kill off rats achieves bugger all as the rats quickly breed to pre poison levels.In the mean time the bird life has now been wiped out.And our drinking water and table meat poisoned.These people are Delusional clowns.

Originally Posted by H&K MAN

Poisoning the forest to kill off rats achieves bugger all as the rats quickly breed to pre poison levels.In the mean time the bird life has now been wiped out.And our drinking water and table meat poisoned.These people are Delusional clowns.

You have probably just given the reason why they need to poison more often.
You are very good at name calling.
Put your energy in quoting instances of poisoned meat or water, and the harm that it caused.

Originally Posted by Tahr

An example:

A female rat can mate as many as 500 times with various males during a six-hour period of receptivity—a state she experiences about 15 times per year. Thus a pair of brown rats can produce as many as 2,000 descendants in a year if left to breed unchecked. (A rat matures sexually at age three to four months.)

2000 per year is a fairly good stretch of the truth. 100 with a 95% mortality rate is closer....Still, they breed very fast.
I'm pretty neutral on the whole 1080 thing. DoC spin a ton of bullshit and they do have a hard time admitting it does kill kea and rock wren etc. The hardcore antis also spin a ton of bullshit too. It's good people don't take everything the govt decide without kicking up a fuss if it's deserved.

Originally Posted by K95

2000 per year is a fairly good stretch of the truth. 100 with a 95% mortality rate is closer....Still, they breed very fast.
I'm pretty neutral on the whole 1080 thing. DoC spin a ton of bullshit and they do have a hard time admitting it does kill kea and rock wren etc. The hardcore antis also spin a ton of bullshit too. It's good people don't take everything the govt decide without kicking up a fuss if it's deserved.

I uplifted that from Wiki. Just like all good pro-anything zelots, I searched for numbers that suited my cause

But I'm a bit on the fence about 1080 too. I can see the merits though, and think that the risks and down sides are over played. In balance I think that it is a useful tool in saving species. I also think a lot of the opposition is because it kills deer, but hunters aren't prepared to admit its that that they don't like so they concoct other unfouded reasons for their opposition.

Originally Posted by Tahr

I uplifted that from Wiki. Just like all good pro-anything zelots, I searched for numbers that suited my cause

But I'm a bit on the fence about 1080 too. I can see the merits though, and think that the risks and down sides are over played. In balance I think that it is a useful tool in saving species. I also think a lot of the opposition is because it kills deer, but hunters aren't prepared to admit its that that they don't like so they concoct other unfouded reasons for their opposition.

Yip. Hit it on the nose. I don't like it killing deer and the lack of value placed on our recreational hunting, there will hopefully be more constructive work in the future between DoC and hunters. Reading some of the old old books, like Charlie Douglas' reports where his dog would have a dozen kakapo dead outside the tent in the morning gives me a good idea how much we have lost to predators. It's all a balance.

The 1080 Industry is on a winner here. It was getting pretty hard to justify INCREASE drops for possum control and TB, esp when some areas are so low in possum numbers.
Also the risks of spread of TB by possums has now come out its that low and not a major factor as reported to us in the past but stock movement from one area to another is the major factor. Its lucky for them that plagues of rats and mice have taken over the country, eating eggs and totally out of control.......so much in factor WAR has been declared, Battle of the Birds, save the birds or the rats and stoats will wipe them out!
1080 drops now in record numbers,increased untold volume to control the plagues of pests , even thou its a fact that 1080 is never ever going to control or wipe out rats or stoats. 1080 will reduce numbers after a drop, but they spike back in numbers even greater than before, causing its own little rat plague as so much feed around, ideal condations to breed sees to that.
So its a on going circle, bomb the place in huge numbers, reduce the rats and as a huge bonus kill deer and pigs as a (targeted)by kill. Then the drops produce more pest numbers themselves, spike in numbers that justify a on going bomb up for years. Yes, the 1080 industry is on a winner here, they got a feel good campaign going, save the poor little birds......justifys huge areas of 1080 drops as we can all see the plague of rats that are taking over the country cant we, and every two years the cycle repeats WINNER (plus it must be the rats as no birds in the bush. what else could it be )

Originally Posted by deer243

The 1080 Industry is on a winner here. It was getting pretty hard to justify INCREASE drops for possum control and TB, esp when some areas are so low in possum numbers.
Also the risks of spread of TB by possums has now come out its that low and not a major factor as reported to us in the past but stock movement from one area to another is the major factor. Its lucky for them that plagues of rats and mice have taken over the country, eating eggs and totally out of control.......so much in factor WAR has been declared, Battle of the Birds, save the birds or the rats and stoats will wipe them out!
1080 drops now in record numbers,increased untold volume to control the plagues of pests , even thou its a fact that 1080 is never ever going to control or wipe out rats or stoats. 1080 will reduce numbers after a drop, but they spike back in numbers even greater than before, causing its own little rat plague as so much feed around, ideal condations to breed sees to that.
So its a on going circle, bomb the place in huge numbers, reduce the rats and as a huge bonus kill deer and pigs as a (targeted)by kill. Then the drops produce more pest numbers themselves, spike in numbers that justify a on going bomb up for years. Yes, the 1080 industry is on a winner here, they got a feel good campaign going, save the poor little birds......justifys huge areas of 1080 drops as we can all see the plague of rats that are taking over the country cant we, and every two years the cycle repeats WINNER (plus it must be the rats as no birds in the bush. what else could it be )

Maaate...stick to being an authority on the .243

Still haven't got my 1080 bribe cheque. Whoever is paying them, pm me

I don't like that 1080 kills deer. That's annoying. It'd be great if everyone would just admit that's why they don't like it instead of making up a load of bollocks