Thread: Buller /Tasman biggest 1080 drop in history this spring

Originally Posted by gimp

Still haven't got my 1080 bribe cheque. Whoever is paying them, pm me

I think you need to be a paid up member of the "Illuminati", know 5 secret handshakes and own a hairless cat first, or that's what I heard from my mates mate, and he knows some people and stuff.

Nothing wrong with 1080. It's like beer. Just don't have too much of it...

It didn't look to good when they did the last drop environment southland had to advertise the fact not to eat the trout before opening weekend as fish ,eels etc had traces of 1080 in them.
http://www.fishandgame.org.nz/1080-what-you-need-know

The potential risk to human health is likely to be low but erring on the side of caution, Fish & Game advises that if you have concerns, you should not to eat trout flesh from trout caught in 1080-poisoned catchments, until advised otherwise.

Originally Posted by gimp

I don't like that 1080 kills deer. That's annoying. It'd be great if everyone would just admit that's why they don't like it instead of making up a load of bollocks

Yes, its annoying it kills deer, yes its annoying it kills pigs, but theres many out there that actually think dropping a toxic poison in tons over this beauitful country is a f crime. Its gone way past pest control, its a big industry now, and this BS about plagues of rats is just that, i havnt seen one rat in the bush in the last 3 years, and the Government though DOC(their muppet) has fed the public B/s for years to continue to justify drops.
From 207000ha a couple of years ago to now over 680000ha of 1080 drops from DOC to now control rats is the joke. Its never going to control them, its proven that rats spike in numbers not long after and its a vicious cycle that will be repeated for no gain. Bird havnt increased in numbers after years of 1080 drops, and im certain its the cause of the low numbers of Kea, rock wren and other birds. Who knows what else the 1080 is doing, esp with trout, eels, crayfish and insects .....thats the point, no one knows, but bet your bottom dollar at best its not helping anything, more likely causing harm on a scale we havnt seen yet..........and people think because we are hunters its all about deer. Shame on everyone that thinks such BS

I've seen rat plagues, mice plagues, stoats have walked up to me in the bush, goat plagues, too many deer in places. To be fair hunters probably don't shoot enough deer. Poison is not nice but if we kill two birds to save ten from rats and possums we are winning. Not to mention a multi billion $ ag industry that doesn't need TB.

Not sure if this has been posted before but it makes for interesting reading.

New Zealand Parliament - 5862 (2015). Richard Prosser to the Minister for Primary Industries

Can we stop the lying about possums and Tb now please?

Thanks Boaraxa. Its more evidence that 1080 actually works.

Well its not rocket science either way you look at it

What I dont like about 1080 is the fact it is illegally used to target large mammals in some areas and is chucked around willy nilly for no reason in others citing beach masts that never eventuate.
Reguarly poisoned bush here is dead.. there are no birds left.
What birds are left are on privatly owned bush with all the so called predators.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

What I dont like about 1080 is the fact it is illegally used to target large mammals in some areas and is chucked around willy nilly for no reason in others citing beach masts that never eventuate.
Reguarly poisoned bush here is dead.. there are no birds left.
What birds are left are on privatly owned bush with all the so called predators.

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So True Cam, Nelson /Tasman had more share of 1080 drops than many areas, the bush here is dead when it comes to birds, only private areas that have no 1080 or areas that have no 1080 for a few years(not many) and have baiting and trapping programs on going theres some birds but still not at numbers before the bombard. North islanders dont know what its like in areas that are bombed many times.
To be fair there is one place which is a eye opener, but if another 1080 drop happens there i bet the birds are in big trouble.
Had a two day hunt up the COBB,this place last year had its first 1080 drop. The bush had more birds in it than im used too , ive forgotten what bird song is like in NZ bush as most areas are dead.
Here, there were birds and sounds of birds everywhere. One thing was certain, the fallow deer had taken a huge hit, deer numbers were very low. Keas were no where in sight, i saw one in two days, in prime kea country. Rock wren had taken a big hit in numbers from monintering on the numbers that were left.
Trap lines and baiting stations were everywhere, so a continued trapping program was on going in a huge area. No doubt there were more birds before the drop, and another 1080 drop will certainly prove that 1080 is the major cause in low bird numbers .

Anecdotal claims re: "there aren't any birds anymore" are not actually useful data. I personally spend a little bit of time in the bush occasionally and have been in plenty of areas that have seen extensive 1080 and have thriving birds populations. Hope River in South Westland for example. Abundant Kaka, Keas, pretty much every forest bird species. Robins observed there this year for the first time since control started in the 90s or so, when possums first made it there. Anecdotes are not useful data for decision making or monitoring outcomes.

Writing it down on a peice of paper does not make it any more or less true tho gimp.

Making an observation of bird numbers is taking a measurement. Without taking a statistically significant number of measurements, using a consistent and well designed method, and recording and analysing the results accurately, you cannot meaningfully make any comparison

If I ever find in my experience that regularly poisoned bush has more bird life than non poisoned bush then I will be 1080s biggest supporter anecdotaly.

I am not a anti poison crazy, I just think it is over used poorly in areas that often do not warrant broadcast Arial application.