Thread: Bush Stalking Advice

Originally Posted by bigbear

@Alex_Z read this post it might help you

Thanks

Change the way you think about unsuccessful hunts.
Every time your out there is a learning opportunity.
Every time you spook a deer is a learning opportunity.
Think about what you did when following sign or spooked deer and what you could have done differently next time you go out.

Bush stalking is a art and time in the hills is your best teacher

Ok the way I see it- yes stalking is a a huge skill to learn, it also is far easier to park the car and start hunting versus park the car- walk uphill 1 to 4 hours- make camp- and glass for hours- shoot a deer at 300+ meters and then go get it. The finding of the deer-knowing where to look and their habits transfers between the two disciplines mostly, personally I find stalking a fair bit easier to undertake than tops or slip hunting.

In answer- follow the spooked deer as much/ad far as you can untill its not worth it.
At the least you spooked deer so were doing something correct so we'll done.

sight your rifle in PROPERLY ..inch high at hundred is pretty good for bush ranges.....says useless hua who MISSED AGAIN today...one good thing,will be the last deer I miss this year.

Originally Posted by louiannz

Hey all

I am relatively new to hunting and want some advice.

Went for a wander the other day in an area well-known for deer and the sign I saw proved it.

A couple of questions:

1. While wandering slowly and quietly along the track I heard a deer run away in front of me about 20m away I think. I stopped and listened. It moved again and was running down into a gully off the side of the track and barked at me. Bush was quite thick so couldn't see much. Should you try and follow?? Find a better spot to see more or give up as the deer spooked and ran away? I think I gave up to early and wandered on.

2. On the same walk found an awesome area of open beech with heaps of fresh sign. Do you sit in one spot and watch the area or wander very slowly through the area hoping to bump into something?

Keen to learn - thanks.

1. If the winds good and you can hear the animal its worth a sneak in, I've shot both reds and sika after an initial spook this way. Sometimes if they aren't sure what you are they'll run a bit then try suss you out. Especially sika. Their cleverness can be their downfall.

Open beach will typically be feeding area. Was their broadleaf trees scattered underneath? I hunt these areas early and late day as the deer use them to feed back to bedding area where they spend more time during the day. Typically they aren't going to be out cruising open beach in the middle of the day. If I hit. A real hot-spot for sign, it's always worth having a sit down for a while, especially early and late afternoon. I've shot a bunch of deer this way, get to a spot that just screams deer, but can't see one so sit down, have a drink or a feed and wait.

Morning and evening think food, during the day think shelter.

I hunt riverbeds, slips, clearings and bush edge morning and evening then focus on sidling through gully heads, around High terraces and off the side of big saddles during the day.

Getting in the right spots to increase your chances of seeing a deer but there's no replacement for time in the Bush. Pay attention to your surrounding and where, when and what the deer you bump are doing and you start to build a picture of what you need to find. After a while it becomes almost a bit of an instinct.

Oh - and I see somewhere 'what do yer do if a deers barking at you ?'

That deer's barking because she knows your there - and she knows exactly where you are. Mostly you can kiss those deer goodbye, but if the country permits it - then go like the clappers towards those deer (run) - they aren't expecting it and I've got a few doing that. I caught one standing there so shocked I felt guilty shooting it - but I did.

I also had a stag grunting at me as I was hammering in a possum trap ...................
"Gonna get yourself shot doing that you silly bugger."
"Grunt ........ grunt."

So I looked up and there he was off to the side of me, his head almost to the ground so he could have a good look. So we 'talked' some more before he quietly wandered up the hill and I went and laid more traps.

It's pretty hard to tell exactly where you're gonna find deer - I move up and down the hill depending on the time of day and I just see them when I see them. Often they've seen me first, so I used to do a lot of practice snap shooting out my bedroom window at the chimneys in the neighbourhood and got pretty good at getting away a quick shot.
My longest ever shot at a deer was in the pissing rain and I aimed over it's back and smacked it thrpough the boiler room. That was across a big gully and I reckon it was over 300 yards - maybe closer to 400 yards.
The next longest shot at a deer was maybe 80 yards ......... and all the rest from about 2 yards to 30.

I hunted one place for over twenty years, it was tight as buggery and I never saw another person in there - but the deer were there and I took quite a few out of there. So my advice is find a place and learn all you can about it. There'll be places you will hardly ever see a deer, so you scoot through those places to get where you've learned the deer will be ..... then you start looking in earnest.

Been thinking on this a bit - when I started hunting I had no one to show me the ropes and there weren't no internet, so I spent a good couple or three years stumbling around for not a lot of result. Then I got taken out by a family my mum knew and they took me to a place where there were deer - a lot of them. We got a pig and three deer that trip and it opened my eyes a bit to the type of country I should ought to be hunting.
So I got some maps and looked in the Tararua's and found that bringing a deer home on a motorbike was a bit uncomfortable, so I cadged the old family car off my dad and tried all different places until I found a few spots I just kept going back too.

Doing all that taught you what was useful to carry in the way of food and gear - and what wasn't. I was never a fan of carrying more than I needed as I had to carry it all back out with what I shot. A thirty pound pack with a 140 pound deer and 9 pound rifle is a load you don't look forward to, so I carried a poxing great plastic drum with a sealable lid in and buried it in my favourite spot - and I kept wet weather gear, fly and non spoilable foods in there. That was a three hour walk in and having that drum there saved me a lot of carrying - be still there too, haven't been back to that place for over forty years.

One thing I will not go without is a survival blanket - they will keep you alive.
And another thing is beware of rivers, I got stuck behind a river for two days before I could cross it - and I really, really should have waited three days. That was the Waiohine, but smaller rivers can come up too. I fished my brother in law out of one of them - it was in flood and I'd already found the spot and crossed and It took me a while to realise he was drowning. Frightened us both a bit that one, so be aware lots of things can happen in the bush - so sometimes it just pays to think before you do as you could be down for a few days before someone comes looking.
Unless of course you have a phone or something ....

Anyway - I've been hunting sixty years and I'm still here.

I mostly hunted on my own and it was all bush hunting - you get to know where to look, where you're likely to find them.
The most useful tools you have are your fitness, eyes, ears and nose - and that last isn't something you hear about much, but I've often smelled deer - stag, hind in milk.

Others have talked about moving in on a noise .......... do you, don't you - or should you wait for it to reveal itself.
If I hear it, it's close - I'm deaf in one ear. For me, it's sometimes not too easy to locate just where that noise is coming from, but once I have - I'll always move in. Don't always get that animal, often they'll hear me and are full alert or they move off, but I've got so close to a couple I was tempted to just grab them. One was a sika I didn't see until I got to four feet from and another was a red stag hard in behind a tree I walked around. Didn't get either of those - I knew they were close, but not that close.

Another tool I always carry is binoculars - my current pair are 6X Nikon Travelites that weigh bugger all and live around my neck on a short cord. They're usually tucked under my bush shirt and it's just a one handed grab to fish them out for a quick look, then shove them back.
Usually all you're gonna seen is a flash of movement, an ear flick or a hoof movement I though was a blackbird and turned out to be the best sika stag I ever saw - let him go too, dunno why ?
So that's what you're looking for - bit's of a deer as its not often you're gonna see the whole thing, and binos help you identify what you're looking at.

And another thing I learned is white hair sticks out like ducks balls. I watched a white goose floating along an airfield in the Kaimanawa's - and thought that's odd. Was still watching when it turned into my brother in laws head. So if you have white hair - cover it up.

Yeah - I got the feeling he knew his shit

Bingo @WaikatoBushman

has anyone heard from @SF90 since the big floods???? I for one miss his in put.

If you are spooking them, you are getting close. You are in the right areas, and you just need to slow down.

In a good area I just take my time, take one step, have a good look around, plan your next quiet step. Go from tree to tree so you are making the most of the cover. Have your rifle in your hands, not on your shoulder. Force yourself to think - if there was a deer 50m away how quiet and stealthy do I have to be? Probably quieter than you were going.

It's easy to start walking, and put your rifle on your shoulder. The focus required to bush hunt is quite intense. So I take breaks, and walk through low sign or difficult areas, accepting that I may spook some. Then I hunt.

Any good area with good viz is worth a wait for a few minutes - or longer. I get bored sitting around, but sometimes it's a case of "wow theres a deer there that wasn't a few minutes ago, where the hell did that come from?" They seem to pop out of nothing.

Originally Posted by louiannz

Hey all

I am relatively new to hunting and want some advice.

Went for a wander the other day in an area well-known for deer and the sign I saw proved it.

A couple of questions:

1. While wandering slowly and quietly along the track I heard a deer run away in front of me about 20m away I think. I stopped and listened. It moved again and was running down into a gully off the side of the track and barked at me. Bush was quite thick so couldn't see much. Should you try and follow?? Find a better spot to see more or give up as the deer spooked and ran away? I think I gave up to early and wandered on.

2. On the same walk found an awesome area of open beech with heaps of fresh sign. Do you sit in one spot and watch the area or wander very slowly through the area hoping to bump into something?

Keen to learn - thanks.

A couple of weeks ago I was bush hunting with a challenging wind. Spooked a few due wind. One I spooked I heard me as was keeping just out of sight barking at me. I stalked through towards it giving the odd hind call. It moved off a short distance 3 different times until I finally spotted it moving off again pulled it up with a fawn call and shot it at 15m. I think it all depends on how badly spooked they are. This area holds a lot of deer for public land. Have taken 20 animals from the same 1km square area since Feb

Another thing I have had happen quite a bit is if you can smell deer especially through winter as the seem to smell more stop and scan heaps they will be very close. Have had quite a few encounters like this recently

Originally Posted by louiannz

Hey all

I am relatively new to hunting and want some advice.

Went for a wander the other day in an area well-known for deer and the sign I saw proved it.

A couple of questions:

1. While wandering slowly and quietly along the track I heard a deer run away in front of me about 20m away I think. I stopped and listened. It moved again and was running down into a gully off the side of the track and barked at me. Bush was quite thick so couldn't see much. Should you try and follow?? Find a better spot to see more or give up as the deer spooked and ran away? I think I gave up to early and wandered on.

2. On the same walk found an awesome area of open beech with heaps of fresh sign. Do you sit in one spot and watch the area or wander very slowly through the area hoping to bump into something?

Keen to learn - thanks.

I used to give those deer that ran of and barked a go by taking of up ridge quickly - give it about 500-600 yards and sit tight in an area with good view back down gully - sometimes would get lucky - they just not spooked that much and about 10 mins later here's the old girl coming up quietly looking back to see if she can pick up what spooked her - does not work all the time but when it does most satisfying

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

I used to give those deer that ran of and barked a go by taking of up ridge quickly - give it about 500-600 yards and sit tight in an area with good view back down gully - sometimes would get lucky - they just not spooked that much and about 10 mins later here's the old girl coming up quietly looking back to see if she can pick up what spooked her - does not work all the time but when it does most satisfying

That sounds like a useful ploy, thanks.