Thread: Cow Elk 688 Yards With a .243

The times they are a changing. Here we are as hunters concerned about the animal rights issues in this clip, as we should be. All hunting is going to fall under even greater and greater scrutiny in the future, not from us and not just from animal rights groups but also the general publics expectations. Rodeos are in trouble, tail docking cows and dogs banned, farrowing crates and layer cages phasing out all stuff that was quite acceptable a few years ago. Overseas who would have thought the Brits would ban Fox Hunting or that in parts of Aus pig holding dogs would be banned. More people in future NZ means a greater disconnect between the majority city and the minority rural and hunter/gatherer types. How long will it be as an example, until using a live Kahawai with a hook through it's back swimming under a balloon is banned ?. Our only saviour from scrutiny is that our game animals get lumped into the 'pest' introduced mammal category. Perhaps we should think about what the non hunters will be expecting and scrutinising in the future and what hunters need to do now in anticipation ??

Moa Hunter that is a great post and brings up another issue.....
in videos like that the animal has been down graded to not much more than a balloon/gong. we didnt see the harvesting of all that prime meat which SHOULD BE focus/end goal.important bit.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

The times they are a changing. Here we are as hunters concerned about the animal rights issues in this clip, as we should be. All hunting is going to fall under even greater and greater scrutiny in the future, not from us and not just from animal rights groups but also the general publics expectations. Rodeos are in trouble, tail docking cows and dogs banned, farrowing crates and layer cages phasing out all stuff that was quite acceptable a few years ago. Overseas who would have thought the Brits would ban Fox Hunting or that in parts of Aus pig holding dogs would be banned. More people in future NZ means a greater disconnect between the majority city and the minority rural and hunter/gatherer types. How long will it be as an example, until using a live Kahawai with a hook through it's back swimming under a balloon is banned ?. Our only saviour from scrutiny is that our game animals get lumped into the 'pest' introduced mammal category. Perhaps we should think about what the non hunters will be expecting and scrutinising in the future and what hunters need to do now in anticipation ??

2019, new law, everyone has to have a manly gun like a 270

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

2019, new law, everyone has to have a manly gun like a 270

HAHAHA! Sadly we don't have one of those "laughing emoji's" like facebook has to choose here…

Just joking @Ryan_Songhurst

Originally Posted by sneeze

Next to the 6mm 105 vld with a .545 bc at 3000fps Im thinkin you have one to many zeros on your 308 estimate.

@Boaraxa, it wasn't even me giving you the giggles…! I know personally your skills with your might 308…

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

2019, new law, everyone has to have a manly gun like a 270

Is a 270 really a manly gun, I've got one and while I think it's a great calibre for NZ game it's not really manly. Now a 375 H&H that's manly.

If you still think a 270 is manly Ryan then you need to watch this clip....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd2Gzkkwe9Q

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Is a 270 really a manly gun, I've got one and while I think it's a great calibre for NZ game it's not really manly. Now a 375 H&H that's manly

What about a 416 rem magnum then?

My 3006 is my manly gun pretty sure manly guns start with a 3 and upwards

Well with northdude I must concur a 3006 is surely manly as it has been used by Men defending their freedoms with honor, in the face of death as a service calibre.
The 416 well that would require a different test. While it is very true that a boy could not use one, it doesn't have the same breeding as the H&H, the honor of the 3006 or 'old money' respectability now that Remington is in financial straits. So while the 416 might be a mans gun it is not the gun of a Gentleman.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Is a 270 really a manly gun, I've got one and while I think it's a great calibre for NZ game it's not really manly. Now a 375 H&H that's manly.

If you still think a 270 is manly Ryan then you need to watch this clip....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd2Gzkkwe9Q

Agreed....375 H&H will teach you what recoil is..., that video will teach you.....well I dont know what it will teach you but it taught me that some things are better left unseen and unheard.....

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Well with northdude I must concur a 3006 is surely manly as it has been used by Men defending their freedoms with honor, in the face of death as a service calibre.
The 416 well that would require a different test. While it is very true that a boy could not use one, it doesn't have the same breeding as the H&H, the honor of the 3006 or 'old money' respectability now that Remington is in financial straits. So while the 416 might be a mans gun it is not the gun of a Gentleman.

All my original handloads were made from 375H+H cases so I reckon that counts lol

"375 H&H will teach you what recoil is"
the gunsmith dude from the gun club has a P14 in 375 HH. Big muzzle brake-230(ish cant remember)grainers at nearly about 3000fps. he reckons recoil is pretty good very accurate, flat shooting and apparently awesome on deer.

Originally Posted by csmiffy

All my original handloads were made from 375H+H cases so I reckon that counts lol

"375 H&H will teach you what recoil is"
the gunsmith dude from the gun club has a P14 in 375 HH. Big muzzle brake-230(ish cant remember)grainers at nearly about 3000fps. he reckons recoil is pretty good very accurate, flat shooting and apparently awesome on deer.

Well you are all class mate, Ha. Haven't checked but I am sure the 375 could be loaded to shoot that Elk cow at long range. But as others have said the gap could have been closed quite a bit. If Kas shot that elk cow with a classic like the H&H at say 500 yards that would be a lot more respecting of the animal and still be something a bit different and worth watching.

Originally Posted by northdude

My 3006 is my manly gun pretty sure manly guns start with a 3 and upwards

A very good friend of mine started work as a commercial deer hunter back in the 70's

He tried a .270, but wasn't impressed. He went looking for a bigger hammer and was talking to a mate of his and was handed a 30/06 and told: "try this."

It malletted pretty much everything he aimed at. His explanation as to why he liked it was the knockdown power and the fact that if the deer did manage to make it into 2nd gear and then into the bush, it would be leaving a good size blood trail that either he or his GSP (Whoever was least hungover at the time) could easily follow.

Sent a link to the video to my 243 custom coyote shooting cuz in Colorado. This is what he said:

Not an elk. Too heavy. Will take a whitetail or muley at that kind of range with the 243 or a pronghorn with mine but probably not that far maybe 5, 6 hundred tops. That video isnt a great ad for that guy really. But they do that some of those outfitters for the girls because they dont like the recoil of a .30 and they mess the up shot and shoot it in the guts.