Thread: Crook deer

For a hind be as wretched thin as that something has been wrong for a few months. I wouldn't eat it as even if it was just old and skinny it would be depleted in minerals and not the sort of tucker we should be putting our bodies

Originally Posted by piwakawaka

As far as I know they haven't 1080d it but cant see the pesticide summary on doc site. Woops I should've taken a better look at his picture before posting it I'll have to ask him what its actual liver looked like. The bruising was under the skin he had skinned it before deciding to leave it. I was wondering if it had been trying to rub loose moult hair out but I've never seen one that had rubbed itself that raw before. She was a young one still had spots on it's back. Dont know if she was in fawn I dont think so ill ask my mate. Kind of wishing I had gone with him to check out the organs now

Still with spots...maybe not done well since orphaned as a youngster.

Originally Posted by The bomb

Most animals I have shot in the kaimais were huge body and pretty fat but with shit antlers,even the hinds were huge.

Fair comment, I think it depends where you are. As the other fella says, there was a good dose of WapX in some areas, as evidenced by the ones we used to take off the bush line up on the NE corner on private property from Woodlands Road, mid- to late-noughties. I’ve got a photo somewhere of the last big stag off of there, certainly not a “shit antlers” animal by any stretch.

Fellas often say “no deer in the north” but this has never been true. Low numbers for the most part, but occasionally the numbers swell. Because we’re a neighbour we get to hear and see a fair bit of what goes on. The ones I watch occasionally over the road from me when out hare shooting are runty as. Personally, looking at the quality of the ones I’ve seen post-drought, I wouldn’t bother. Just recently there’s been a whole bunch of really crappy hinds coming out of a couple of dairy farms off the south side of Waitawheta, they must have had pressure somewhere else and moved, so now they’ve had terminal pressure here.

Here is a carcase inspection tutorial on inspecting lymph glands on a deer. The spleen on the healthy fallow is different to the scungy red hind posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUM9yDHvcM

Most deer I’ve taken there have been from wairere falls area,the knees let me know how big the deer were after carrying them down those bloody flights of stairs that’s for sure,younger and dumber back then,shot my very first deer up there 30 years ago.

Originally Posted by The bomb

Most deer I’ve taken there have been from wairere falls area,the knees let me know how big the deer were after carrying them down those bloody flights of stairs that’s for sure,younger and dumber back then,shot my very first deer up there 30 years ago.

Meat wont bruise when dead...drag the bastard down the stairs...of course not a good look for the trampers.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Here is a carcase inspection tutorial on inspecting lymph glands on a deer. The spleen on the healthy fallow is different to the scungy red hind posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUM9yDHvcM

Quickest inspection and most effective are the lymph nodes just under the atlas joint, easily visible when head is taken off.



In the US when they are doing research on illnesses such as Chronic Wasting Disease this is where they usually inspect and remove for sampling if suspect.

Originally Posted by caberslash

Quickest inspection and most effective are the lymph nodes just under the atlas joint, easily visible when head is taken off.

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In the US when they are doing research on illnesses such as Chronic Wasting Disease this is where they usually inspect and remove for sampling if suspect.

You are correct that heads are used for CWD but CWD is a Prion disease that effects the brain / CNS so it makes sense to check those glands for CWD. I always check the windpipe, lungs, liver, intestines as well as lymph

Manger? Not sure if the mite is present in NZ I never saw it up the Kaimais but with animals coming from farms it could well have come in with that new blood.
Need to ask some of the farms around. Our if anyone knows someone that works at the works if they have ever binned animals with it.

If it is mange I hope the pair of you washed your hands and clothing really well as it can and will jump onto another host.

Been thinking about this case and looking at the photo again and considering the coat, which is not just a moulting coat, and the poor body condition and colour of spleen I would put my money on it being Johnes Disease.

Never heard of johnes disease so looked it up and from what I read and saw its looks very likely. My mate had a read up and says he thinks so as well. Cheers @Moa Hunter I learned something new

Originally Posted by piwakawaka

Never heard of johnes disease so looked it up and from what I read and saw its looks very likely. My mate had a read up and says he thinks so as well. Cheers @Moa Hunter I learned something new

Something that is of great concern regarding Johnes is that it is implicated in Crohn's Disease in humans. Johnes bacteria being found in Crohn's sufferers but not in the general population suggests that a Johnes infection makes us susceptible to Crohn's or that Johnes is one part of the cause.

Rules: Poor condition animal - dont take. Gutting a suitable animal, free and tie off the arse before gutting, be careful to not puncture or tear the intestines. Discard any soiled or contaminated meat. Wash Hands

Bloody hell...i have had Crohn's disease for years, maybe the deer gave it to me or they might have sniffed one of my many dumps i have taken in the bush...beware Kaimai's, Kawekas, Kaimanawa's, Pureora, everywhere else should be safe as i haven't been there...in my case it has not been a wasting disease, maybe alcohol reverses effects.

Johnnes disease is rife throughout NZ farms and very similar to bovine TB. Bush areas surrounded or bordered by farms are likely places for Johnnes to be passed from cattle into deer herds. Inoculum is available to counter Johhnes but seldom used on cattle because it s antibodies show up as bTB positive during bTB testing. I believe the deer farming industry inoculate against it though. It usually manifests itself in unthrifty animals but may show no extetnal signs in strong healthy unstressed animals even when they are infected.

I shot one exactly the same last spring in the S/E area of the kawekas, i just put it down to the poor old girl had had a hard winter, a good 5km's from the nearest farm land, it was a mercy killing really,,