Thread: Decades of 1080….before and after

I dont know the Karamea bend so cant comment on that specific. Looking back over my 60 years as an adult I see patterns of historical devolution of wild animal control and the factors influencing that. Amongst those devolvements are human and bureaucratic and fiscal influences particularly from officialdom which imo restricted much in the way of innovation characterised by other private enterprise. Self sustaning bureaucracies. I think without the use by official bureaucrats of the jaw breaker bits preventing funding of free enterprise to address the issues sensibly we would today be seeing a vastly more efficient management of both game animals and pests.

Amusing ay. I can recall DoC and AHB Assurring the ERMA review of 1080 (2007) that frequency would ot need to exceed once in 7 years. They spun it big time.

We need to release more Lions and Tigers. That would take care of the pesty Deer. (and poachers) when the deer are gone the rats and possums would be next.

Cougars could be interesting

We have cougars already @Woody, in some of the pubs usually is where they hide at night....very predatory too!

Set them loose bro ! Just train em not to eat carrots.

Having been involved with the Nelson sanctuary since my wife was their first ever paid employee, they did an initial drop of Brodificum as soon as possible after the fence was finished and then a second drop a few weeks later. It should never need doing again as if they have a breach of the monitored fence they rapidly initiate a trapping and monitoring plan in the localised area.

Originally Posted by Happy Jack

Having been involved with the Nelson sanctuary since my wife was their first ever paid employee, they did an initial drop of Brodificum as soon as possible after the fence was finished and then a second drop a few weeks later. It should never need doing again as if they have a breach of the monitored fence they rapidly initiate a trapping and monitoring plan in the localised area.

That was kind of my point earlier, they get a far heavier initial and follow up dose at their inception, with no obvious long term negative effects.
Also with a far more persistent toxins than sodium fluoroacetate.

just thought would pass on some tips about rat trapping gleaned from many years of work on them - A young lady did a thesis on what was the best prefeed lure for rats so it was no 1) peanut butter 2) white chocolate buttons 3) Marzipan icing way down the list were what one might think such as cheese and bacon - but prefeeding was very important - very cautious feeders - little taste first - then again and again until caution over and gobble - incidentally mice never get past the cautious taste regime that's why so hard to poison - most people go wrong with putting out a heap of bait and thinking yup rats gone - no little bit little bit little bit and once strong feeding then wham -good luck

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

just thought would pass on some tips about rat trapping gleaned from many years of work on them - A young lady did a thesis on what was the best prefeed lure for rats so it was no 1) peanut butter 2) white chocolate buttons 3) Marzipan icing way down the list were what one might think such as cheese and bacon - but prefeeding was very important - very cautious feeders - little taste first - then again and again until caution over and gobble - incidentally mice never get past the cautious taste regime that's why so hard to poison - most people go wrong with putting out a heap of bait and thinking yup rats gone - no little bit little bit little bit and once strong feeding then wham -good luck

Intersting - the little sods here would not touch peanut butter at all. Never tried icing but did try almonds - no joy from them either. White chocolate buttons I suspect would get non-target bycatch and that would likely end up in an argument with the missus (kids fingers hahaha). No, the go to trap bait for me now is either apple with skin or pear. Maybe avo if I'm short - lesson being I think is feed the little ratty bastards on what they are expecting to find as food and you don't suffer the same level of bait caution.

Originally Posted by No.3

Intersting - the little sods here would not touch peanut butter at all. Never tried icing but did try almonds - no joy from them either. White chocolate buttons I suspect would get non-target bycatch and that would likely end up in an argument with the missus (kids fingers hahaha). No, the go to trap bait for me now is either apple with skin or pear. Maybe avo if I'm short - lesson being I think is feed the little ratty bastards on what they are expecting to find as food and you don't suffer the same level of bait caution.

They love grain and seeds, that's why flour works so well - visual + smell. One night driving back over Otira I saw at least 30 possums out on the road eating grain that had come off a truck that day. This was at a time when there weren't that many koons about and it was uncommon to see more than two for the whole trip. Flour + icing sugar + lure was always the pre-feed for cyanide lines, I think the flour did the luring and the cinnamon, eucalyptus, aniseed etc etc just made the possumer happy

Originally Posted by No.3

Intersting - the little sods here would not touch peanut butter at all. Never tried icing but did try almonds - no joy from them either. White chocolate buttons I suspect would get non-target bycatch and that would likely end up in an argument with the missus (kids fingers hahaha). No, the go to trap bait for me now is either apple with skin or pear. Maybe avo if I'm short - lesson being I think is feed the little ratty bastards on what they are expecting to find as food and you don't suffer the same level of bait caution.

M
Sultanas are my go-to bait, sometimes with a smear of peanut butter.

Originally Posted by Happy Jack

Having been involved with the Nelson sanctuary since my wife was their first ever paid employee, they did an initial drop of Brodificum as soon as possible after the fence was finished and then a second drop a few weeks later. It should never need doing again as if they have a breach of the monitored fence they rapidly initiate a trapping and monitoring plan in the localised area.

I dont think that Brodi is airdropped anymore ? Been a few problems:
The impacts of brodifacoum-poisoning operations
on populations of non-target species that might have
eaten baits have been monitored in several studies.
Three indigenous bird species (western weka,
Stewart Island weka, and pukeko) have been severely reduced in poisoned areas. For example, the
entire population of western weka on Tawhitinui
Island was exterminated by consumption of Talon®
50WB intended for ship rats, which they obtained
by reaching into bait stations, by eating baits dropped
by rats, and by eating dead or dying rats (Taylor
1984). About 80-90% of the Stewart Island weka on

I've been using cahe traps about the place and once aged a bit they catch rsts well with peanut butter bait. I usually smear a very thin trail into the cage as well, as enticement. I have also caught several birds especially thrushes and waxeyes in the cage traps and easily release them unharmed.

Originally Posted by Happy Jack

Having been involved with the Nelson sanctuary since my wife was their first ever paid employee, they did an initial drop of Brodificum as soon as possible after the fence was finished and then a second drop a few weeks later. It should never need doing again as if they have a breach of the monitored fence they rapidly initiate a trapping and monitoring plan in the localised area.

I dont think that Brodi is airdropped anymore ? Been a few problems:
"The impacts of brodifacoum-poisoning operations
on populations of non-target species that might have
eaten baits have been monitored in several studies.
Three indigenous bird species (western weka,
Stewart Island weka, and pukeko) have been severely reduced in poisoned areas. For example, the
entire population of western weka on Tawhitinui
Island was exterminated by consumption of Talon®
50WB intended for ship rats, which they obtained
by reaching into bait stations, by eating baits dropped
by rats, and by eating dead or dying rats (Taylor
1984). About 80-90% of the Stewart Island weka on etc "