Thread: Exterminate deer

Originally Posted by Friwi

So woody, is there any report of TB close to that park they are going to 1080?

going to 1080? its been done many times already and numbers are low enough now they can expext to fully exterminate by ground control.

Originally Posted by deer243

They have been targeting deer and pigs for a few years now and you in dream land if you think its just a by kill trying to get rid of rats etc. Some guy I was talking to recently was once involved with the posion drops, he said they was 1080 and enhanced 1080. The enhanced 1080 as he called it was used for pigs and deer where they wanted to reduce numbers more than just dropping standard 1080.
That's what he said anyway and from what ive seen in the bush, esp with pigs its clear it knocking them overall far better than 10 years ago so they certainly target deer and pigs, have no doubt

It's all about getting TB free exports. They'll probably sell our land to the Chinese for $10/hectare more if it's it TB free.

Originally Posted by Steve123

It's all about getting TB free exports. They'll probably sell our land to the Chinese for $10/hectare more if it's it TB free.

it's $25 extra per hectare, don't forget the snake piggot and the
clutching grasping weasel brigade at tasman extermination council, they'll all be demanding their cut too

Actually, the TB so-called threat was examined by the NZ Institute for Economic Research, commissioned by NZ treasury who were questioning the extensive use of taxpayer funds. You can look it up on the net. The title is "coughing up for TB". That should give you a hint of what the NZ Institute thought!

In the event one assumes possum needs management, the real question become one of alternatives to 1080, such as trapping. Rat populations, while getting an initial knockback in some instances, rapidly recover to more than double pre-drop population levels. The cycle is sell sustaining and cyclically destructive to other species.

AHB / TB Free NZ LTD and Doc and Co' will tell Ministers and public that 1080 operations are cheaper than trapping, but do not publish the fact that most trappers survive unpaid except by virtue of the captured products that they process and sell. On the other hand, the true costs of 1080 operations average over $55 per hectare from the public purse. If a trapper were to be paid this much money he would be able to earn over $1000 a day!, not counting any extra income derived from animals caught.

Next, the poisoners will tell you the terrain is too remote and rugged to be trapped. This is pure bullshit and a great percentage of poisoned terrain is very easy country, including roaded plantations. If it was all so rugged you couldn't hunt it could you.

There is seldom any post poison monitoring of protected species, let alone deer or possums.

In the meantime the regulations now permit direct dropping of the poison into your stream and lakes, to within 200m of water intakes, both public and private. if you are affected, they will consider giving you bottled water for 48 hours.

In the meantime, the public continues in it's apathy. The Hunua operations around the Auckland city drop also were considered to have a beneficial side effect of killing the deer up there. The Jaffa's slumber on.

Worse, they refuse to test the water for coliforms and other pollution from carcasses rotting in there after drops.

DOC make me laugh they want to kill all non native animals because of what a few game trails so called wrecking the bush, yet dont think twice to bulldoze a timber trail though the guts of pureora forest for the Lycra brigade. they refuse to admit that the place the deer hold in the eco system has only replaced the long lost moa, if the moa were still about would they what them wiped out?

Originally Posted by Woody

Actually, the TB so-called threat was examined by the NZ Institute for Economic Research, commissioned by NZ treasury who were questioning the extensive use of taxpayer funds. You can look it up on the net. The title is "coughing up for TB". That should give you a hint of what the NZ Institute thought!

In the event one assumes possum needs management, the real question become one of alternatives to 1080, such as trapping. Rat populations, while getting an initial knockback in some instances, rapidly recover to more than double pre-drop population levels. The cycle is sell sustaining and cyclically destructive to other species.

AHB / TB Free NZ LTD and Doc and Co' will tell Ministers and public that 1080 operations are cheaper than trapping, but do not publish the fact that most trappers survive unpaid except by virtue of the captured products that they process and sell. On the other hand, the true costs of 1080 operations average over $55 per hectare from the public purse. If a trapper were to be paid this much money he would be able to earn over $1000 a day!, not counting any extra income derived from animals caught.

Next, the poisoners will tell you the terrain is too remote and rugged to be trapped. This is pure bullshit and a great percentage of poisoned terrain is very easy country, including roaded plantations. If it was all so rugged you couldn't hunt it could you.

There is seldom any post poison monitoring of protected species, let alone deer or possums.

In the meantime the regulations now permit direct dropping of the poison into your stream and lakes, to within 200m of water intakes, both public and private. if you are affected, they will consider giving you bottled water for 48 hours.

In the meantime, the public continues in it's apathy. The Hunua operations around the Auckland city drop also were considered to have a beneficial side effect of killing the deer up there. The Jaffa's slumber on.

Worse, they refuse to test the water for coliforms and other pollution from carcasses rotting in there after drops.

the 1080 drop on the paeroas about three years ago that dumped into the water supply for reporoa, they also drop very close to our drinking water so we were supplied with about a weeks worth of drinking water.

Go here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8m6uc37XGs

Originally Posted by Woody

Actually, the TB so-called threat was examined by the NZ Institute for Economic Research, commissioned by NZ treasury who were questioning the extensive use of taxpayer funds. You can look it up on the net. The title is "coughing up for TB". That should give you a hint of what the NZ Institute thought!

In the event one assumes possum needs management, the real question become one of alternatives to 1080, such as trapping. Rat populations, while getting an initial knockback in some instances, rapidly recover to more than double pre-drop population levels. The cycle is sell sustaining and cyclically destructive to other species.

AHB / TB Free NZ LTD and Doc and Co' will tell Ministers and public that 1080 operations are cheaper than trapping, but do not publish the fact that most trappers survive unpaid except by virtue of the captured products that they process and sell. On the other hand, the true costs of 1080 operations average over $55 per hectare from the public purse. If a trapper were to be paid this much money he would be able to earn over $1000 a day!, not counting any extra income derived from animals caught.

Next, the poisoners will tell you the terrain is too remote and rugged to be trapped. This is pure bullshit and a great percentage of poisoned terrain is very easy country, including roaded plantations. If it was all so rugged you couldn't hunt it could you.

There is seldom any post poison monitoring of protected species, let alone deer or possums.

In the meantime the regulations now permit direct dropping of the poison into your stream and lakes, to within 200m of water intakes, both public and private. if you are affected, they will consider giving you bottled water for 48 hours.

In the meantime, the public continues in it's apathy. The Hunua operations around the Auckland city drop also were considered to have a beneficial side effect of killing the deer up there. The Jaffa's slumber on.

Worse, they refuse to test the water for coliforms and other pollution from carcasses rotting in there after drops.

Yeah thats just down the road from me. I'm glad I'm on tank water. A friends pet lab died from eating a possum washed down from there. Guys logging the for rest next door had pellets dropped on them. Rats are a huge problem round here so it's a tough call.

The more they spread 1080 poison, the more rebounds with greater than ever Rat numbers occurs within a year or two after a drop. A very destructive cycle.