Thread: Fallow 2019

Originally Posted by R93

We are not hunting on the west coast.
However there are a few patches of them on the coast.



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Some of them get hammered by 1080 from what my cousin tells me.

How do you tell what is a good buck that needs a few years. Is it an educated guess or certain traits in the antlers that mark it out as not a cull.

Originally Posted by Russian 22.

Some of them get hammered by 1080 from what my cousin tells me.

How do you tell what is a good buck that needs a few years. Is it an educated guess or certain traits in the antlers that mark it out as not a cull.

They're like anything else if they have all the right stuff when young you leave them and hope they survive long enough to get some age on them. It is a risk but can be worth it.
The first one pictured is probably as good as he will ever get the other 2 appear younger.
Spend enough time looking at them and you also get good at assessing them on the Hoof.

Fallow will generally be in their prime between 5-7 years of age.


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One of the original fallow herds was established on the Coast. In the Rough area of the Paps below Reefton. Moderate sized animals. Low numbers poor head quality but that may have been recently influenced.
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Originally Posted by Boxton

One of the original fallow herds was established on the Coast. In the Rough area of the Paps below Reefton. Moderate sized animals. Low numbers poor head quality but that may have been recently influenced.
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The paparoa is in trouble. My cousins live near there.

The 1080 the hell out of it. He doesn't even get many fallow grazing on his back paddocks anymore.

Bloody he'll what a thumper of a stag well done.

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That trophy is really heavy beamed for a wildy. Blue Mountains or Queenstown ??

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

That trophy is really heavy beamed for a wildy. Blue Mountains or Queenstown ??

Wild on private land

Originally Posted by MSL

Wild on private land

It is private land. I have been hunting here on and off for 5 yrs and hope to have the access for longer.
New owners on one block. So not sure what their plans are after this season.
My mate who guided here first 10 yrs ago and the land owners have done an excellent job and have been committed to improving the herd. I have just lucked into it, purely by association.
Not complaining tho.


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Originally Posted by R93

It is private land. I have been hunting here on and off for 5 yrs and hope to have the access for longer.
New owners on one block. So not sure what their plans are after this season.
My mate who guided here first 10 yrs ago and the land owners have done an excellent job and have been committed to improving the herd. I have just lucked into it, purely by association.
Not complaining tho.


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I was interested in what bloodline it is if wild, not the actual farm. I can see it is farmland and east coast in the pics.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

That trophy is really heavy beamed for a wildy. Blue Mountains or Queenstown ??

Yeah Na. Beam is only slightly above average at 4.3 NZ record one is 3.8 beam
You must not have seen many good fallow to think that



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Very nice - congratulations!!

Thanks for the taking the time to reply to the above questions here @R93 good to get a bit of education on Fallow Bucks.
Could I ask do you have any pics of younger bucks as the progress so we can see how and what makes a better trophy?
Cheers

Originally Posted by Sideshow

Thanks for the taking the time to reply to the above questions here @R93 good to get a bit of education on Fallow Bucks.
Could I ask do you have any pics of younger bucks as the progress so we can see how and what makes a better trophy?
Cheers

@Sideshow, I certainly don't agree with everything he states, but Howard Egan's two books on Fallow are very insightful regarding what it takes to grow a trophy buck.

Originally Posted by Sideshow

Thanks for the taking the time to reply to the above questions here @R93 good to get a bit of education on Fallow Bucks.
Could I ask do you have any pics of younger bucks as the progress so we can see how and what makes a better trophy?
Cheers

First off I have admitted several times to being shit at taking photos. The ones I have now are no exception.
I also forgot a phone/scope thingy I bought purposefully for this season.

I will try to show/explain what I have learned off a fella who has secured 7 of the top 10 wild fallow taken in NZ
Including the current #1 official.

Fallow are relatively easy to measure Douglas scoring wise. Easier than non typical reds that's for sure.

The fella that I have learned off has forgotten more than I will ever know but I have a flukey knack of scoring them very accurately on the Hoof.
I scored the big one above as 271 before shot and 273 when I seen him up close.
Every other fallow I have guided I am usually within 5.

Anyway. When scanning for bucks with binos for me it is obvious on what I would put a spotter on due, to frame and body size. Especially if Does are standing close by.
Then if it is worth a look I make sure it has good brows, trez and not so important guard tines. If he has all that then good palm length, width and palm points. He gets more time spent on him. Nice long and wide paddles with lots of points all help the score.
Also look at how many points you will get for fresh air. Spread. Is he as wide as he is long etc.
My good buck went 31 long and I think 36 wide. He got points for fresh air and was close to being over spread.

In pic below. I know it is shit and blurry but this fella has everything going for him as a 3-4 Yr old.
Those brows are amazing. He has width and good palms but not much length overall or in his palms.
I have seen a similar one to him this morning that was even better and around the same age. But got sick of playing hide and seek with him and the camera.
Hope that helps a bit but getting some time around good animals certainly helps a lot. I have a few more pics on my Canon camera but haven't uploaded them yet.

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Originally Posted by R93

First off I have admitted several times to being shit at taking photos. The ones I have now are no exception.
I also forgot a phone/scope thingy I bought purposefully for this season.

I will try to show/explain what I have learned off a fella who has secured 7 of the top 10 wild fallow taken in NZ
Including the current #1 official.

Fallow are relatively easy to measure Douglas scoring wise. Easier than non typical reds that's for sure.

The fella that I have learned off has forgotten more than I will ever know but I have a flukey knack of scoring them very accurately on the Hoof.
I scored the big one above as 271 before shot and 273 when I seen him up close.
Every other fallow I have guided I am usually within 5.

Anyway. When scanning for bucks with binos for me it is obvious on what I would put a spotter on due, to frame and body size. Especially if Does are standing close by.
Then if it is worth a look I make sure it has good brows, trez and not so important guard tines. If he has all that then good palm length, width and palm points. He gets more time spent on him. Nice long and wide paddles with lots of points all help the score.
Also look at how many points you will get for fresh air. Spread. Is he as wide as he is long etc.
My good buck went 31 long and I think 36 wide. He got points for fresh air and was close to being over spread.

In pic below. I know it is shit and blurry but this fella has everything going for him as a 3-4 Yr old.
Those brows are amazing. He has width and good palms but not much length overall or in his palms.
I have seen a similar one to him this morning that was even better and around the same age. But got sick of playing hide and seek with him and the camera.
Hope that helps a bit but getting some time around good animals certainly helps a lot. I have a few more pics on my Canon camera but haven't uploaded them yet.

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Shit I love the look of those bucks I think they are one of the best looking deer.
I would love one of those big ones on my wall.

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