Thread: Farmer lying about paper road?

Originally Posted by Tahr

@muzza Yes. Sometimes paper roads are what they call "stopped" by councils and they lose their special status.

Personally, I don't think that challenging farmers about paper roads is worth the fuss. Creates angst all round.

Again Tahr best post in this thread.
And most people that posted seem to wonder why farmers won't let them through but read the responses.
We have a fairly heavily used paper road through our farm that a few forum people use regularly, yes the gates locked thats because if you slide of the track in your car and die its on us, but your welcome to walk it anytime,
No the council has never maintained it thats all the farmer.
The other fact that no one's caught onto is often the "paper" road on a topo map is actually miles from the actual paper road something some of you should keep in mind, some paper roads have also been swapped with Doc for access around boundaries after bulldozing and maintenance all at the cost to the farmers.
The hate on farmers here recently is hard to take and yet you wonder why you can't get onto farms.....

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Originally Posted by BRADS

Again Tahr best post in this thread.
And most people that posted seem to wonder why farmers won't let them through but read the responses.
We have a fairly heavily used paper road through our farm that a few forum people use regularly, yes the gates locked thats because if you slide of the track in your car and die its on us, but your welcome to walk it anytime,
No the council has never maintained it thats all the farmer.
The other fact that no one's caught onto is often the "paper" road on a topo map is actually miles from the actual paper road something some of you should keep in mind, some paper roads have also been swapped with Doc for access around boundaries after bulldozing and maintenance all at the cost to the farmers.
The hate on farmers here recently is hard to take and yet you wonder why you can't get onto farms.....

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Yeah cause some farmers are cunts believe or not

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Originally Posted by NRT

Yeah cause some farmers are cunts believe or not

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You mistakenly meant that for the Covid 19 thread yes ???

Originally Posted by NRT

Yeah cause some farmers are cunts believe or not

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At least those things are useful.

Originally Posted by Tahr

At least those things are useful.

At your age..? Whasya secret?

Originally Posted by outlander

At your age..? Whasya secret?

Its more about my memory holding up than about anything else holding up

Originally Posted by NRT

Yeah cause some farmers are cunts believe or not

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There is never a more accurate statement some road end farmers are the biggest fuckstains I've ever meet and a embarrassment to the rest of us.
But there in the minority and I feel the farmer hate here is more than a minority.

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Originally Posted by BRADS

There is never a more accurate statement some road end farmers are the biggest fuckstains I've ever meet and a embarrassment to the rest of us.
But there in the minority and I feel the farmer hate here is more than a minority.

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I agree that plenty of hunters are pretty disrespectful of hunters I'd not the say the majority but I'd say the minority that lack the basic respect towards people are also the ones your likely to hear speaking up as they are also the type to dumb to know when to shut up.

Originally Posted by BRADS

There is never a more accurate statement some road end farmers are the biggest fuckstains I've ever meet and a embarrassment to the rest of us.
But there in the minority and I feel the farmer hate here is more than a minority.

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Hahaha i can think of at least one who fits the cunt bill just perfect

Originally Posted by BRADS

Again Tahr best post in this thread.
And most people that posted seem to wonder why farmers won't let them through but read the responses.
We have a fairly heavily used paper road through our farm that a few forum people use regularly, yes the gates locked thats because if you slide of the track in your car and die its on us, but your welcome to walk it anytime,
No the council has never maintained it thats all the farmer.
The other fact that no one's caught onto is often the "paper" road on a topo map is actually miles from the actual paper road something some of you should keep in mind, some paper roads have also been swapped with Doc for access around boundaries after bulldozing and maintenance all at the cost to the farmers.
The hate on farmers here recently is hard to take and yet you wonder why you can't get onto farms.....

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The paper road thing has been brought up as mentioned near page 2 about this is a "paper" Road from Wams not some track on a topo which I agree means nothing just like the many private huts on topos. I'm not hating on farmers and dislike the comments below as it helps nothing but in this case can you really defend a guy lying about a legal access potentially putting illegal tracks into public land. I don't hate farmers my entire family are farmers so completely understand the inconvenience hence why I'm not making any argument to have him make a track. I just want to walk into a block that I legally can and would prefer give them the option to let me walk the track and not have to jump or duck under his. Fences in regards to liability that argument is a bit loose as if they are on the road it's not the farmers problem otherwise pretty much all the south island easements over stations would would mean they are screwed as people drown trucks regularly.

I guess to the farmers here validating this behaviour how do you differentiate this from the government banning firearms because of a select few individuals actions? Or do you not complain about them.

And equally to those that are maybe getting a bit anti farmers maybe try consider why they are frustrated and try give them a little consideration (don't have to agree with there opinions but I can see why they have them as they manage and maintain there farms as they see fit and its very easy for a few to ruin it.

I just don't see how one thinks it fair to try stop people using a legal access that exists solely to allow access to public land.

Originally Posted by Stocky

I just don't see how one thinks it fair to try stop people using a legal access that exists solely to allow access to public land.

He does it cos he knows he can get away with it.

Many farmers act with impunity on all sorts of issues, because they know that the likelihood of a council officer or any other kind of officer doing anything about it is low. That’s not hating on farmers, @BRADS, just how it is and I’m sure you know that too.

Not all farmers, but some. They get away with it. A few are complete bastards. Most aren’t, and are decent ordinary folk. Just like the rest of society.

The reason this paper road / ULR problem exists is simply because it hasn’t been actively enforced in a systematic, consistent manner. It’s a legacy problem from a bygone era that has become horribly complicated by the passage of time. The territorial authorities hate dealing with the ULR problem, but ultimately if you are unable to negotiate access directly with the landowner, that’s who you must consult, the council, and request their assistance.

Originally Posted by Stocky

The paper road thing has been brought up as mentioned near page 2 about this is a "paper" Road from Wams not some track on a topo which I agree means nothing just like the many private huts on topos. I'm not hating on farmers and dislike the comments below as it helps nothing but in this case can you really defend a guy lying about a legal access potentially putting illegal tracks into public land. I don't hate farmers my entire family are farmers so completely understand the inconvenience hence why I'm not making any argument to have him make a track. I just want to walk into a block that I legally can and would prefer give them the option to let me walk the track and not have to jump or duck under his. Fences in regards to liability that argument is a bit loose as if they are on the road it's not the farmers problem otherwise pretty much all the south island easements over stations would would mean they are screwed as people drown trucks regularly.

I guess to the farmers here validating this behaviour how do you differentiate this from the government banning firearms because of a select few individuals actions? Or do you not complain about them.

And equally to those that are maybe getting a bit anti farmers maybe try consider why they are frustrated and try give them a little consideration (don't have to agree with there opinions but I can see why they have them as they manage and maintain there farms as they see fit and its very easy for a few to ruin it.

I just don't see how one thinks it fair to try stop people using a legal access that exists solely to allow access to public land.

Just remember, legally you may have the right to access a paper road, but also legally he does not have to support, help or accept you using it. He is allowed to not like it, and he is allowed to discourage it or be unhelpful. It is not yet illegal to lie (god knows our politicians would never pass a law banning their favourite pastime....) And he has the right to disagree with you using it just as you have the right to disagree with him not liking it. This does not stop you having legal access, but it can make the difference between being a pleasant experience and one you would rather forget.

All I can say is there are reasons for these opinions on both sides. One guy I knew has stories of what he lost to people using the road (stock, property etc) that made me ashamed to be associated with hunters even though I knew almost all were not like that. (In fact I would say all because the ones that would do what he described might think they are hunters but they truly were not...) There are some absolute ratbags out there, and these seem to be the ones who are most frequent on paper roads where there are frosty receptions...

Originally Posted by timattalon

Just remember, legally you may have the right to access a paper road, but also legally he does not have to support, help or accept you using it. He is allowed to not like it, and he is allowed to discourage it or be unhelpful. It is not yet illegal to lie (god knows our politicians would never pass a law banning their favourite pastime....) And he has the right to disagree with you using it just as you have the right to disagree with him not liking it. This does not stop you having legal access, but it can make the difference between being a pleasant experience and one you would rather forget.

All I can say is there are reasons for these opinions on both sides. One guy I knew has stories of what he lost to people using the road (stock, property etc) that made me ashamed to be associated with hunters even though I knew almost all were not like that. (In fact I would say all because the ones that would do what he described might think they are hunters but they truly were not...) There are some absolute ratbags out there, and these seem to be the ones who are most frequent on paper roads where there are frosty receptions...

You are absolutely correct I guess I just think poorly of liers. (hence why I dislike most politicians) he may come around the next time I get in touch who knows but his lack of acceptance suggests he may give me issues in terms of vandalising my vehicle or trying to call the police on me due to his entitlement.
There are reasons for the opinions of both sides and I acknowledge them but only one is correct and moral. If ones livelihood is so solely relying on people not using land that one does not even own then maybe they need to improve their business. I too know some terrible stories including a friend of ours finding 2 cyclists with a big tent setup in his paddock. That after talking to them said that it was fine they could stay the night and to just take their rubbish the next morning. We'll they had shot a cow set the tent up over it to cover it until that night when evidently the cut the fence and used a chainsaw to break it down and take it away leaving the head, guts, and a poor butchered frame. He doesnt think all cyclist are poachers now which is how some farmers treat hunters.

Originally Posted by Stocky

You are absolutely correct I guess I just think poorly of liers. (hence why I dislike most politicians) he may come around the next time I get in touch who knows but his lack of acceptance suggests he may give me issues in terms of vandalising my vehicle or trying to call the police on me due to his entitlement.
There are reasons for the opinions of both sides and I acknowledge them but only one is correct and moral. If ones livelihood is so solely relying on people not using land that one does not even own then maybe they need to improve their business. I too know some terrible stories including a friend of ours finding 2 cyclists with a big tent setup in his paddock. That after talking to them said that it was fine they could stay the night and to just take their rubbish the next morning. We'll they had shot a cow set the tent up over it to cover it until that night when evidently the cut the fence and used a chainsaw to break it down and take it away leaving the head, guts, and a poor butchered frame. He doesnt think all cyclist are poachers now which is how some farmers treat hunters.

I agree.

With some of the farmers I know / knew, it is not once or twice...it is almost every other weekend and an ongoing challenge hence their view, be it distorted or not....

Originally Posted by BRADS

Again Tahr best post in this thread.
And most people that posted seem to wonder why farmers won't let them through but read the responses.
We have a fairly heavily used paper road through our farm that a few forum people use regularly, yes the gates locked thats because if you slide of the track in your car and die its on us, but your welcome to walk it anytime,
No the council has never maintained it thats all the farmer.
The other fact that no one's caught onto is often the "paper" road on a topo map is actually miles from the actual paper road something some of you should keep in mind, some paper roads have also been swapped with Doc for access around boundaries after bulldozing and maintenance all at the cost to the farmers.
The hate on farmers here recently is hard to take and yet you wonder why you can't get onto farms.....

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it goes both ways though, the country no longer revolves around farmers anymore.

Obviously you should have peaceful enjoyment of your land.
However if there is a legal right of access to public land then why should the public let the land they own get eaten by pseudo "private blocks" because a farmer wants to hunt it or stop other's from using it?

To others, your farm is not as important when compared to their access to public land. (is that saying the quiet part out loud?) Doesn't mean that they shouldn't accommodate you or act in good faith.

Goes without saying that there's no animosity on my part.