Thread: First Helicopter Company pulls The Pin On The Tahr Cull

Originally Posted by Sideshow

Not sure if it’s been said in the above posts. But I would not be surprised to find that if the threats are true might they have come from the pro kill Thar camp.
Why you might ask?
Well by the time it’s found out it’s to late we would have been tarred with that brush!
Seen PETA do exactly this here with birds of prey against gamekeepers. Just a thought...

Sounds a bit too 'conspiracy theorist' to be pragmatic.

Originally Posted by zarathustra

Sounds a bit too 'conspiracy theorist' to be pragmatic.

Not really,its a-symmetrical and effective in garnering public support.

Plus its free and anonymous.

Originally Posted by norsk

Not really,its a-symmetrical and effective in garnering public support.

Plus its free and anonymous.

Well call me naive but I just don't see that happening. The example was given of PETA doing this sort of activity....PETA!!
PETA's extremist views are accompanied by extremist associations. PETA activists have a long history of association with the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and a related underground organization, the Earth Liberation Front (ELF). Of course, they would stoop to this sort of behaviour but NZ pro-Thar cull groups?
Doubt it.

Originally Posted by zarathustra

Sounds a bit too 'conspiracy theorist' to be pragmatic.

They will go the extra mile be sure of that! Just to make us look bad. Here in the UK I've had more than my fair share of run in's with the anity hunting fraternity. Speaking from that personal experience I would not put it past them. Hunt Sabs are some of the worst here. Some RSBC members are just as militant, poisoning water in pens, realising of pheasant and partridge chicks and dumping of dead birds of prey on shoot's. You just need to have a look at the badger cull and the threats to life of those that have been taking part in that cull! So making up a few false email, Facebook accounts saying I'm a "hunter" and then threatening a helicopter company that is involved in the cull so we get the bad name. Yep that's pretty tame from what I have seen.

You just need to look at the trolling on line and how far people will go with that. This is no different imho. Who's to say that a few of these great people have not moved to NZ to carry on where they have left off in the original country. Or even NZ'ders that have picked up a few ideas from overseas...look how the pros get it done!

If you feel this is a little to 'conspiracy theorist' well fine.....but from my experience with antis, pragmatic is NOT a word that I would use to describe them, they will go the extra mile to get what they want!

@Sideshow
Back in the mid-90s I had the 'pleasure' of getting to know radical environmentalists from numerous friends of two of my old flatmates who were environment and animal rights extremists (I stayed in that house for 2 years).
I was always interested in trying to uncover their worldviews – how they diagnosed the root causes of ecological decline and what motivated them to engage in often high-risk interventions on behalf of the natural world and other species.

What I came to understand was that while traditional environmental organizations like the WWF tend to focus on making industrial capitalism more sustainable to the environment, my two flatmates and friends radicalism was born in response to the perceived inability of these mainstream environmental organizations to curb ecological decline.
My flatmates advocated behaviour in the form of civil disobedience, blockades, tree-sits, damaging forestry machines, and digging tunnels under aircraft runways in forested areas....all direct action.
But this was the mid-90s and the internet was just not used by my flatmates and friends...who knows...maybe like you say, it is one of their main effective methods these days? I been out of the picture for a while in that regard.

Originally Posted by Sideshow

They will go the extra mile be sure of that! Just to make us look bad. Here in the UK I've had more than my fair share of run in's with the anity hunting fraternity. Speaking from that personal experience I would not put it past them. Hunt Sabs are some of the worst here. Some RSBC members are just as militant, poisoning water in pens, realising of pheasant and partridge chicks and dumping of dead birds of prey on shoot's. You just need to have a look at the badger cull and the threats to life of those that have been taking part in that cull! So making up a few false email, Facebook accounts saying I'm a "hunter" and then threatening a helicopter company that is involved in the cull so we get the bad name. Yep that's pretty tame from what I have seen.

You just need to look at the trolling on line and how far people will go with that. This is no different imho. Who's to say that a few of these great people have not moved to NZ to carry on where they have left off in the original country. Or even NZ'ders that have picked up a few ideas from overseas...look how the pros get it done!

If you feel this is a little to 'conspiracy theorist' well fine.....but from my experience with antis, pragmatic is NOT a word that I would use to describe them, they will go the extra mile to get what they want!

I left in 2001 for good partly due to what you describe, pheasant beating for pocket money pretty much disappeared down south, fox hunting got banned, beagling got banned. Both fox hunting and beagling employed sevaral of my friends as pack masters and tha last big estate stopped the shoots so making redundant all the game keepers and under keepers.

Originally Posted by zarathustra

Sounds a bit too 'conspiracy theorist' to be pragmatic.

Remember the 1080 poisoning blackmail threats? And how the media went for the throat of the anti-1080 crowd, calling them lunatics and all. And in the end it was businessman from the poison industry itself who just wanted to get more business for feratox.

Police said the public should come forward with information about people they know with strong feelings about 1080...

A blackmail threat to poison baby formula is a form of "eco-terrorism", says New Zealand's prime minister John Key...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=11593570

And look at this poor couple, flowers and a card after they'd been targetted by the cops...

They were caught up in the inquiry after police focused on anti-1080 protesters as the source of the threat to put the poisonous pesticide into milk powder. For months, the Kleines were targeted by an undercover police officer, had their home secretly searched and were eventually put through hours of questioning by detectives. Documents show police were so convinced that one senior detective swore on oath: "I believe Rolf Kleine is the author of the threatening letters that were sent to Fonterra and Federated Farmers on 26 November 2014."

Originally Posted by Sideshow

Not sure if it’s been said in the above posts. But I would not be surprised to find that if the threats are true might they have come from the pro kill Thar camp.
Why you might ask?
Well by the time it’s found out it’s to late we would have been tarred with that brush!
Seen PETA do exactly this here with birds of prey against gamekeepers. Just a thought...

Yes its pretty easy to see why they could/would do that.

It's a great opportunity to paint hunters in a bad light to help further their agenda.

Can't like that but do agree with it.
Not a lot appears to be substantiated.


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In Sweden the animal rights activists damage cars displaying hunting/firearm related stickers.They have staged film footage of themselves being "beaten up" and or threatened with guns by "hunters".

They also host workshops over weekends where they teach classes on how to sabotage hunts,how to photograph hunters and how to cause the maximum amount of disruption whilst staying the the right side of the law.

A few fake profiles set up through a proxy server making threats?

You had better belive it.

Originally Posted by norsk

In Sweden the animal rights activists damage cars displaying hunting/firearm related stickers.They have staged film footage of themselves being "beaten up" and or threatened with guns by "hunters".

They also host workshops over weekends where they teach classes on how to sabotage hunts,how to photograph hunters and how to cause the maximum amount of disruption whilst staying the the right side of the law.

A few fake profiles set up through a proxy server making threats?

You had better belive it.

Speaking of which, someone on this forum did mention something in the direction of interfering with Helicopters. At the time I just strongly spoke against it, but should have reported it to a moderator.