Thread: A good opportunity to bait the anti brigade !

Lion Hunter sandwich sounds tasty

Originally Posted by Maca49

Lion Hunter sandwich sounds tasty

Yep that could be fun.

After all the hoopla, here is a reply that makes a bit of sense.

In defence of a lion killer | Daily Maverick

That is a good well written article

Originally Posted by Doug

After all the hoopla, here is a reply that makes a bit of sense.

In defence of a lion killer | Daily Maverick

At least thats reasoned , Well thought out and balanced .

Reality is none of us here (at least the ones who have commented) really know the ecology, culture or legality of the situation over there and are predominantly basing our comments on a few articles from reporters, who by nature, will have sensationalised details and probably left out details to get their story looking attractive. Haters gon' hate! But shit son who the hell are we to dictate what's right and wrong. I'd have one of those on my wall if it was kosher with the locals, legal and wasn't endangered - just as we would be OK if a foreign hunter came and legitimately hunted one of our Red, Tahr or Chamois to have as a trophy. It wasn't a cub, it wasn't a mother feeding and it wasn't even a young male. Reality is we don't really know the full story and are being suckered but the real crooks - the media! According to the article above, the winning mix is man-led supervision, hunting culling and conservation.

"The upshot of the misinformed anti-hunting and anti-culling sentiment of the dinner party set was that an entire park ecosystem was put at risk, just to “save” a few elephants, of which there were plenty.

She's just a famous head attached to what has been happening for donkeys years with a few hick ups in the 70's.

As long a we maintain our ethics, and it appears she does too, so be it.

Long live that incredible species of big cat, and coherently, long live our God given right to hunt on this planet.

Although, as I said before, I would love to see her carry that out of the park!

That article is great Doug - cheers

Rant over.

For anyone who doesn't know. The official place to go for information on what populations of any species are doing is the IUCN, the International Union for Conservation of Nature. They have what is known as a redlist, which when you look at wikipedia for a poor example is used to give the status of an animal. Lions, interestingly are not listed as "Endangered" as the anti hunters squealing like stuck pigs would have you believe in regards to the recent Melissa Bachman lion saga. They are actually listed as "vulnerable". Further to this the IUCN redlist explains a lot of the ecology of each species and lists in these exact words:

"Trophy hunting is carried out in a number of sub-Saharan African countries and is considered an important management tool for providing financial resource for Lion conservation for both governments and local communities".

it does go on to mention that sustainable offtakes are essential for this to work effectively, but the point is there. The International body responsible for the interests of animals facing extinction admits that trophy hunting is an important management tool for lion conservation.

Give that to the next inerudite moron that comes out with some crap about how trophy lion hunting is threatening lions as a species.

Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter

For anyone who doesn't know. The official place to go for information on what populations of any species are doing is the IUCN, the International Union for Conservation of Nature. They have what is known as a redlist, which when you look at wikipedia for a poor example is used to give the status of an animal. Lions, interestingly are not listed as "Endangered" as the anti hunters squealing like stuck pigs would have you believe in regards to the recent Melissa Bachman lion saga. They are actually listed as "vulnerable". Further to this the IUCN redlist explains a lot of the ecology of each species and lists in these exact words:

"Trophy hunting is carried out in a number of sub-Saharan African countries and is considered an important management tool for providing financial resource for Lion conservation for both governments and local communities".

it does go on to mention that sustainable offtakes are essential for this to work effectively, but the point is there. The International body responsible for the interests of animals facing extinction admits that trophy hunting is an important management tool for lion conservation.

Give that to the next inerudite moron that comes out with some crap about how trophy lion hunting is threatening lions as a species.

Bullseye. Facts.

Thanks mate that's great.

Love how this thread is titled baiting the anti brigade. Bang on.



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I'm still laughing dundee!

Some more info;

HUNTING TOURISTS CONTRIBUTED R811 MILLION TO ECONOMY IN 2012, SAYS DEA

Vanderbijlpark, 20 November 2013 - Preliminary findings from the Department of Environmental Affairs’ latest statistics show that hunting tourists contributed R811 million (2011: R901 million) to South Africa's economy in 2012.

Department of Environmental Affairs deputy director – policy development Magdel Boshoff, speaking at the Professional Hunters' Association of South Africa's (PHASA) 36th AGM and Convention in Vanderbijlpark, said the results were still subject to an audit and verification process but no material differences were expected between this report and the final one.

The statistics were based only on species fees (the amount a hunting outfitter pays a landowner to harvest an animal) and daily rates (the fee a client pays a hunting outfitter) meaning that the total economic contribution of overseas hunters is understated. The statistics also exclude the impact of local hunters, numbering some 320 000, who hunt mostly for venison.

The top three source markets for hunting tourists were the USA followed by Denmark and Spain.

Last year, 40 866 head of game were hunted compared to 48 605 the year before. Rhino hunts showed the biggest decrease with only 52 harvests taking place in 2012 (2011: 137) and contributing R36 million (2011: R84 million) due to stricter criteria used in issuing rhino hunting permits. Lion hunts showed the largest increase with 596 lions harvested in 2012 (2011: 445) and contributing R122 million (2011: R77 million) at an average species fee of R203 000.

PHASA chief executive Adri Kitshoff said South Africa is home to 2 700 wild lions and 5 000 captive bred ones. "Our lion populations are stable. So are Tanzania's, a country which boasts 16 800 lions and where lion hunting is also permitted. The countries showing the most alarming declines in lion numbers are those where lion hunting is prohibited such as Kenya and Botswana," she said.