Thread: Half cock or safety

Such a retarded mindset on the one hand saying you don't trust a safety and on the other hand having no problem getting about with a half closed bolt

the NZHunter team do some sort of alteration to bolt on ???Tikkas??? so the safety locks the bolt in semi open position..best of both worlds...it would be nice if it was made mainstream @7mm tragic you can fire your model 70 using the safety as a trigger.... read about a PH shooting a man eating tiger like this so being YDFOC I of course had to try it....take aim,depress trigger and then swing safety with thumb....

I dont put handbrake on in my cars on flat ground either,put auto gearbox into park...... but use it on a slope.....

The only safe gun has an empty chamber. Hunt with an empty chamber and learn how to load a round silently and quickly once game is close. Then stalk in to the shot with safety on or 'Half open Bolt' cupped between thumb and fore-finger.
As the old adage goes ' All the deer ever bred, dont make up for one man dead'

If safety systems on rifles didn't work we would all know about it. USA is the home of litigation and if there was any chance a safety on a rifle didn't work as it was supposed to everyone would get their arse sued off.
I happily hunt using the safety on my T3 and am totally confident in it.
I also personally know of someone who pretty much shot their arm off when a "half cocked" bolt on a M77 MK2 closed in thick bush and the trigger was caught on something.

I might as well grind my safteys off just one more thing to catch cant say as if iv ever used one . Have lost a round to in a tikka rather loose the round than knock it closed . But tikkas dont have a factory half cock so to speak browning xbolts have a fantastic half cock my saum has a decent but not awsome halfcock so I tend to chamber my rounds when needed . As kids all our rifles were mauser action styles where we would chamber the round point at ground hold the trigger and test fire then it was just up down with the bolt and bang

New guns safety 100%,

If they fail now days (safety mechs) they are open to court cases that could bankrupt them (company) or, remove their brand from an entire market! (trust laws).

Safety mechanisms are guaranteed and subject to challenge in court under failed circumstances.

There is too much for them to lose in countries that have regulated laws like us (and many others)

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

the NZHunter team do some sort of alteration to bolt on ???Tikkas??? so the safety locks the bolt in semi open position..best of both worlds...it would be nice if it was made mainstream @7mm tragic you can fire your model 70 using the safety as a trigger.... read about a PH shooting a man eating tiger like this so being YDFOC I of course had to try it....take aim,depress trigger and then swing safety with thumb....

Never tested this, that said finger only goes on trigger when target sighted and in the cross hairs.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

The only safe gun has an empty chamber. Hunt with an empty chamber and learn how to load a round silently and quickly once game is close. Then stalk in to the shot with safety on or 'Half open Bolt' cupped between thumb and fore-finger.
As the old adage goes ' All the deer ever bred, dont make up for one man dead'

Oh boy oh boy have I got a senario for you...... I play this one out on regular basis witH new shooters
I will open rifle and demonstrate it is empty and lean it up against tree then turn back walk a few yards away and take a leak..while Im attending to this ,my brother in law reloads rifle and puts it back in same place...I zip up turn around,pick up rifle which I "KNOW" is empty and say loudly"this has an empty chamber I can point it where ever I like and pull trigger its safe,then point in safe direction and pull trigger..the more folks yell and argue its loaded,the more I push back..."I just fuckin unloaded it ,its safe"...BOOM

THEN say...."and that is why you ALWAYS treat every firearm as loaded at all times"
broken open/bolt removed is safe......anything else is treated as hot to trot untill physically rechecked.

Originally Posted by 7mm tragic

Never tested this, that said finger only goes on trigger when target sighted and in the cross hairs.

it works...but wouldnt rely on it....lol unless man eater was up in tree above me LOL.... funny the things you try when YDFOC.....

Originally Posted by Makros

If your firearm has a half cock feel free to use it. But don't try and convince me this bolt half closed bullshit is a half cock. It is not.
Your M70 is a cock on open action. It's fully cocked as soon as you open the action. What your using is the machining tolerance in the transition point where the firing pin sear starts to rest on the trigger sear rather than the bolt body. It was never designed to be used this way and is a quirk of the design not a feature. A lot of rifles allow the firing pin sear to be released and the bolt to close by pulling the trigger in this position, the firing pin may or may not have enough force to fire the cartridge depending on how soft the primer is and how much friction there is to the bolt handle falling.

To the poster above that doesn't trust safeties because they are badly designed. The "half-cock" isn't designed at all... Don't trust either of them, trigger and muzzle discipline #1.

I'm not an expert on these matters however I'm certain that my M70 is cocked on closing the bolt. (late model CRF)
I have an older Mossberg 800 which is cocked on opening so am aware of the difference, as to your reference to the sears I'll have to take you at your word.

Safety with all guns, except lever action where I leave hammer down while hunting.

Originally Posted by 7mm tragic

I'm not an expert on these matters however I'm certain that my M70 is cocked on closing the bolt. (late model CRF)

No it's not. After firing, when you lift the bolt handle that action is compressing the firing pin spring and cocking the firing pin. Cock on closing is like a Lee Enfield type action.

Had an experience with a guy with a anschutz hornet, keyed up and ready for a shot, false alarm so slinged it over his shoulder and didn't realise it was on half cock, bolt closed, rifle went off about 4 ft from from my ear the the bloody thing was right behind his, hell of a fright. Don't if he has stereo listerning ability any more. For me it's use the safety.

Originally Posted by Shearer

If safety systems on rifles didn't work we would all know about it. USA is the home of litigation and if there was any chance a safety on a rifle didn't work as it was supposed to everyone would get their arse sued off.
I happily hunt using the safety on my T3 and am totally confident in it.
I also personally know of someone who pretty much shot their arm off when a "half cocked" bolt on a M77 MK2 closed in thick bush and the trigger was caught on something.

yeah the same is true for airplanes, cars and nuclear power plants, they would have stopped producing those if occasionally one of their components failed right?