Thread: Help Stop 1080, please sign

Originally Posted by dogmatix

No its the damn chickens running around Titirangi, people feed them and thus the rats.

It should sort the chickens too as it does a pretty good job of rockwren and kea.

hey i know ban chickens and rats

I was in Auckland a few years back visiting my townie cuzzys there only 10 mins drive from a nice bay so I said lets go for a fish , naturally they didn't own a rod so we brought one setup in a nice bay beside a road opposite a few shops , few minutes passed & something caught my eye , dirty big rat bouncing around on the rocks , followed by more all around a rubbish bin , I couldn't believe it they were everywhere rustling around in the long grass , even tried to pinch some bait so we moved to another wee bay , still plague proportions , they say rats are in plague proportions in the bush !! what a joke never have I seen anything like that in the bush anywhere yet we constantly hear ...its a mast year there's plagues of rats must drop 1080 at all costs , Tell me has anyone ever seen a heap of rats in the bush , not just a few hanging around a hunt but a plague of the bastards like what we constantly hear ???

I haven't got a printer. Thought they were a part of the arch.

I don't want this to be a debate on 1080. The form is there for those who want to sign and share around with others. If 300,000 signatures are reached then it doesn't mean that it is going to instantly stop the Arial use of 1080, it means that we as Kiwis are saying we concerned about the way it is used and the issue will then be tabled in parliament and discussed.
Here's hoping that at a minimum a small portion of the millions and millions of dollars that is spent on spreading thousands of tones of poison over our forests and side creeks is put aside to look for an effective alternative.
You need to ask yourself if you are happy for this poison to drop from the sky for another 70 years or do you want our government to start looking for an alternative?

Nup. Been through that too msny times. Thevtruth is out there. Go seek, and ye shall find.

Originally Posted by Woody

Nup. Been through that too msny times. Thevtruth is out there. Go seek, and ye shall find.

Just what I expected. When challenged for some evidence to back up your claims you didn't/couldn't/wouldn't offer any.

I'm not a 1080 fan either, but as others have said it seems to be most cost effective option for NZ at the present.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Just what I expected. When challenged for some evidence to back up your claims you didn't/couldn't/wouldn't offer any.

I'm not a 1080 fan either, but as others have said it seems to be most cost effective option for NZ at the present.

Fuck it, I'll bit.
Poison and poison only will never ever succeed. EVER! It is a completely failed system.
Systems that are not a failure, regular visits.
It really is that simple and I should know as it's my job. I can take you to blocks that have been poisoned and six months later you would not know.
The most important thing to know is breeding cycles; rats 20 days, rabbits 28 days, possums yearly etc. This is a major factor in all control work just like monitoring.
Did you know doc and I think it was landcare research did a study on rats. A pre poison monitor then 12 months later a post poison monitor. The rat numbers were around 150% of the pre monitor numbers.
Did you know doc often do 1080 drops with NO MONITORING BEFOREHAND.
Did you know that without knowing the numbers of target animals you have no fucking idea on how much poison to use. They could be over OR under poisoning, by doing that they could in fact be dramatically increasing pest numbers. Animals that have had a sublethel dose will not go near 1080 ever again.
Do you understand how much secondary poisoning happens? Any bird that eats meat is fucked. We'll go through a poisoned block and see dead seagulls, hawks, NATIVE FALCONS etc. It wipes out quail as well.....

Edit to add: also note doc has doubled the amount of poison they are now putting out per hectare. Also note they are lying about the costs as I proved via the OIA. Dumbarses.

I feel sorry for some of those on the ground working for that idiot outfit.

This is a link to a news report and not the actual report I was looking for but non the less it is worth reading.

As I'm involved with a couple of community groups that are targeting both animal and plant problems I've been watching the progress these trials have been making in the Perth River area and their pre baiting and refining of applications of 1080 are bringing some encouraging results. Have not followed the latest stuff as closely as I probably should have and will refrain from making any observations on the latest until I've read more.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/ne...st-controllers

Well one eyed creatures and trolls are not something I can be bothered with any more. Try www.1080science.co.nz for starters. Then 1080P HD Shoot and edit
Then look up tge submissions to the 2007 ERMA review.
Then look up the submissions to the AHB REVIEW 2010 /11. Once you have all that @Cyclops you might have some actual rational thoughts. In the meantine f off you trolking coward.

Well one eyed creatures and trolls are not something I can be bothered with any more. Try www.1080science.co.nz for starters. Then 1080P HD Shoot and edit
Then look up tge submissions to the 2007 ERMA review.
Then look up the submissions to the AHB REVIEW 2010 /11. Once you have all that @Cyclops you might have some actual rational thoughts. In the meantine f off you trolling coward.

Well one eyed creatures and trolls are not something I can be bothered with any more. Try www.1080science.co.nz for starters. Then 1080P HD Shoot and edit
Then look up tge submissions to the 2007 ERMA review.
Then look up the submissions to the AHB REVIEW 2010 /11. Once you have all that @Cyclops you might have some actual rational thoughts. In the meantine f off you trolling coward.

Originally Posted by Woody

Well one eyed creatures and trolls are not something I can be bothered with any more. Try www.1080science.co.nz for starters. Then 1080P HD Shoot and edit
Then look up tge submissions to the 2007 ERMA review.
Then look up the submissions to the AHB REVIEW 2010 /11. Once you have all that @Cyclops you might have some actual rational thoughts. In the meantine f off you trolling coward.

FWIW I am neither a troll nor a coward - if you knew me you'd not make those claims.

All I did was challenge you to put up some material to back up your statements which you have. THANK YOU.

There is/was no reason to get rude and/or personal about my challenge to you.
It reflects poorly upon you that you have to reply that way. Have a good life.

This is a link to more research that involves the use of 1080 for predator control (a 22 year study) and the impact on our native species. The dedication and effort applied by scientists and volunteers in this work is inspirational.

https://predatorfreenz.org/kiwi-1080...Gh-TuTuwdvi7TA

Well worth a read.

There exists a consensus 1080 does the job, albeit you have to keep dropping tons and tons of it, forever. But it is a cruel death and does not always kill. Deliberate infliction of animal suffering is what we are talking about here. SPCA has gotten off the 1080 bandwaggon for that reason.

BTW, I have a brick of CCI 'Deerslayer' .22LR. Will evt kill most deer even with a gut shot.
Any interest?